FlyerTalker688786

The positive feedback would be from Non-Rev. Stand-by for flights would be much easier as few people (commercial passengers) would take BA in future! If next year Alex Cruz is nominated for the best employee of BA by staff, you know all airline employee is having a great time standing by for flight operated by BA.

My only flights with BA is in December which I booked a while ago for a domestic trip. After it would be A3, AA, CX, QR, EK and CA for me in future.

sts603

I agree with that but it doesn't explain the gutting of any comfort in short haul J (and I say this as someone who buys full fare refundable J tickets on Band 2-3 flights).

televisor

You're probably thinking of the 777X (777-8 and 777-9). That's a completely new aircraft (same outer shell as the 777 with different walls inside, leading to 18" seats, at least that's what Boeing claim).

ScruttonStreet

What are the implications of the 'densification' (what a word) of the A320s/A321s? What does that mean for seat pitch?

moral_low_ground

Wow..just wow.....considering most of "you lot" purport to fly in J or above, what do you care and you have no idea about a 10 abreast 777.

Being based in Dubai I fly EK all the time and in fact qualified for gold last year on sectors alone due to flying mostly on very cheap Y tickets. I am so used to flying on EK's 10 across 777's that when I went back to the UK a couple of weeks ago and there was a child playing up in the middle seat I was stretching across trying to see which poor person was sitting next to her only to realise that BA is 9 across. It looked very weird.

10 across on a 777 in Y is just fine as long as you have some decent IFE. TBH I can tell no difference between a current BA 777 and an EK 777 and given the choice I would pick an EK flight as better IFE, better food etc etc.

So, let's not gripe, let's not bash BA (for once) on something that really makes little difference (if done properly) and you can take that from someone who actually flies regularly on BA and EK 777's in Y.

cosmo74

Each to their own I guess but my last long haul Y flight in economy was with EK on a 10 across 777 and I vowed never again as the experience was so awful. The seats were horribly narrow and the IFE and food definitely didn't make up for it.

Stez

Except EK's 777 has slightly more seat pitch and is noticeable. Granted, not a lot more but in sardine-class, every inch helps. Seats are half an inch narrower than BA.

Sadly, the food is much better than BA these days.

dougzz

Half an inch, so that's 4.5 inches gained where does the other 12 come from? Surely that's half an inch based on two entirely different measuring systems, outside of armrests, from centre of armrests, inside armrests? Is each aisle really 6 inches narrower? Do people shuffle down them sideways?

Skipcool3

I am more concerned about shorthaul as that seat pitch will be tricky for me. 4 hours on an Athens flight, and no respite even in CE. Bad news BA.

Sam Bee

Emirates have between 2-4 inch better seat pitch on each and every 777 - massively noticable. I tried out an AF 10 across 777 which has the same seat pitch as BA - it was genuinely horrific, awful, nasty. Saying that, it was only 2 hours, so I put up with it, and was very impressed with AF's food, drink, IFE and cleanliness (it was a brand new 777-300W to be fair).

BA's 10 across 777 will be a double whammy of teeny seats and meagre seat pitch. I'd challenge anyone to fly on Garuda's / SQ's 777's out of LHR and say BA come anywhere close (for comfort).

olouie

Yes the aisles are very narrow. You will see a lot of people hit the seats with the bags/rollers.

Also the seats are usually pushed more towards the aircraft walls so if you are sitting in a window seat you may notice you are closer to the wall.

Andriyko

I understand your feeling, similarly as I understand those guys who pay full fare to fly economy and yet they have to get the 'product' that the lowest average of the fares that the entire cabin paid for the flight. But for someone like me who now pays around USD500 to fly from Kiev to London in Club Europe (losing much of the flexibility of course) whereas I used to pay that much to fly in economy I don't mind the loss of more legroom. However, I am yet to see what the next tightening, if any, of the legroom will be. I no longer see any reason to fly Club anyway, unless I am connecting to the States. I am not sure what the corporate negotiated fares are but something tells me that they are not anywhere near the published fares though. I of course can say that you're paying for the flexibility but it is no consolation for getting tighter seating of course. As a realist I understand that no airline can tailor the product for full fare paying passengers when the majority of the cabin paid a fraction of that. Unfortunately the full paying passengers like yourself get penalized in the process. BTW - I think even I fares are changeable now.
I would be completely fine if BA or other European airlines installed proper business class seats and charged more for the privilege to fly there. That would mean the end of flying business class on shorthaul for me but it would be much fairer to passengers like you who pay the full price.

Stez

Indeed. Which means for those who prefer aisle seats, avoid the beginning and end of each cabin section, or the last row before it becomes 8-across due to the narrowing of the fuselad at the rear.

On the plus side with a 10-abreat configration on the EK 777s: there are more twin seats at the rear on EK, perfect for window seat lovers. However, BA's 777s have a different rear galley configuration and toilet arrangements which means they will have only three rows of twin seats vs up to five rows on EK.

T8191

Stez is something of an experienced flyer in Y (policy) from UK to OZ... he has my deep sympathy.

Flexible preferences

You may be right. However, maybe he would have the new seat, new connectivity/recharging, Panasonic IFE and seat width would not be compromised through thinner walls/redesign. OK, a lot of maybes... but might he have something to look forward to?