Ex-EU Scrutiny at DUB
Apr 12, 2015, 2:25 pm
#46
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Thanks for that. What would happen if I actually arrived without my UK passport? Or wouldn't it get that far (since I might be denied boarding)?
If denied boarding, any compensation owing (a UK citizen denied boarding due to no passport, travelling to a country - Ireland - which does not require UK citizens to carry a passport to enter).
Any thoughts on this one?
Dave
If denied boarding, any compensation owing (a UK citizen denied boarding due to no passport, travelling to a country - Ireland - which does not require UK citizens to carry a passport to enter).
Any thoughts on this one?
Dave
Apr 12, 2015, 2:32 pm
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(I am into adventure sports and camping, so pretty easy to lose stuff, I prefer to carry as little as possible).
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Apr 12, 2015, 2:42 pm
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You won't get denied boarding on a BA flight to DUB. They don't check passports / ID
The problem will occur when you land with Garda.
The problem will occur when you land with Garda.
Apr 12, 2015, 3:04 pm
#49
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Any thoughts?
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Apr 12, 2015, 3:13 pm
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You need to have photographic id to enter the ROI, if you are a UK Citizen, that can be a Passport or UK Full Driving License, i would suggest that if there are going to be any issues, with proving your citizenship, then carry your passport..
However i would read the following, it has the official answers :
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...nd_the_uk.html
Also of note certain airlines wont let you fly to Ireland without a passport.
However i would read the following, it has the official answers :
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...nd_the_uk.html
Also of note certain airlines wont let you fly to Ireland without a passport.
Apr 12, 2015, 3:18 pm
#51
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The onus is on you to prove that you have are a British or Irish citizen, other forms of id are adequate. Even the few domestics services require you to go through passport control at DUB - though I have found the boarding pass to be adequate id.
Apr 12, 2015, 3:31 pm
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The airlines have some discretion in this. I think public policy would not be aligned in your favour.This is the information the airline will see when making its decision to board you or not. I have emboldened the important part.
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Information as of 12APR15 / 2128 UTC National United Kingdom (GB) Embarkation United Kingdom (GB) Destination Ireland (Rep.) (IE) Passport and Visa Information: Destinations Ireland (Rep.) (IE) Information: Normal Passports Passport required. - British passports endorsed British Citizen must be valid on arrival. - British passports endorsed British Subject which also contain a Certificate of Entitlement to the Right of Abode issued by the United Kingdom, must be valid on arrival. - Other British passports and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for the period of intended stay. - British passports endorsed British Citizen that have been extended 12 months by an extension stamp contained within the passport are accepted. Passport Exemptions: - Holders of proof of nationality issued to nationals of Ireland (Rep.) and British subjects for travel between Ireland (Rep.) and Great Britain and Northern Ireland only. - Holders of emergency or temporary passports. Visa required, except for Holders of British passports endorsed: - British Citizen ; or - British National (Overseas) ; or - British Overseas Territories Citizen . Minors: - Children up to/incl.16 years of age - A separate visa is required for children up to/incl. 16 years of age, provided Health and Information: Destinations Ireland (Rep.) (IE) Vaccinations not required. CHECK - UNITED KINGDOM: EEA FAMILY RESIDENCE PERMITS
Apr 12, 2015, 4:21 pm
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That would be an extremely silly thing to do. You risk being flown back at your own expense, and/or possibly after spending a few hours in immigration detention whilst your case is settled and you can be assured that this is no pleasant adventure. Carrying appropriate documentation (in this case passport or proof of citizenship) doesn't usually come with "if it's not too inconvenient" as a proviso.
And what if I am planning on going bush (off the beaten track) when I get to Ireland, and plan on carrying as little documentation with me, so that if things go pear shaped, I will have that documentation to be able to continue my travels when things get back to normal?
(I am into adventure sports and camping, so pretty easy to lose stuff, I prefer to carry as little as possible).
Dave
(I am into adventure sports and camping, so pretty easy to lose stuff, I prefer to carry as little as possible).
Dave
Apr 12, 2015, 5:38 pm
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Yes, please don't bugger about with the CTA, it's very dear to me. 
The onus is on the traveller to prove British or Irish citizenship. You cannot just turn up at the gardaí control and say "I was born in London, let me in". You must prove it. Usually, and most sensibly, this is by way of a passport. A UK driving licence with a place of birth on it is also acceptable.
The CTA originates as a result of political relations between the two countries principally to maintain a completely open land border and nothing else. It wasn't to "save carrying a passport" or anything like that. The principle is simply that British and Irish citizens may pass freely between each other's respective countries.
I always use either my UK or Irish passport when travelling to or from the Republic.
The onus is on the traveller to prove British or Irish citizenship. You cannot just turn up at the gardaí control and say "I was born in London, let me in". You must prove it. Usually, and most sensibly, this is by way of a passport. A UK driving licence with a place of birth on it is also acceptable.
The CTA originates as a result of political relations between the two countries principally to maintain a completely open land border and nothing else. It wasn't to "save carrying a passport" or anything like that. The principle is simply that British and Irish citizens may pass freely between each other's respective countries.
I always use either my UK or Irish passport when travelling to or from the Republic.
Aug 3, 2015, 12:58 pm
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They are now cracking down on illegals at the border again and operations are more frequent.
It has been confirmed that a crackdown on illegal immigrants was behind Monday's major Garda operation on the N1 dual carriageway in north Louth. Southbound traffic approaching the start of the M1 motorway from the border, was funnelled into checkpoints via the off-ramp at Junction 18, Dundalk North. A number of arrests were made during the operation, which lasted a number of hours and was led by the Garda National Immigration Bureau
http://www.lmfm.ie/Local-News-Info/Article/?ItemID=4181
It has been confirmed that a crackdown on illegal immigrants was behind Monday's major Garda operation on the N1 dual carriageway in north Louth. Southbound traffic approaching the start of the M1 motorway from the border, was funnelled into checkpoints via the off-ramp at Junction 18, Dundalk North. A number of arrests were made during the operation, which lasted a number of hours and was led by the Garda National Immigration Bureau
http://www.lmfm.ie/Local-News-Info/Article/?ItemID=4181
Aug 3, 2015, 2:20 pm
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And what if I am planning on going bush (off the beaten track) when I get to Ireland, and plan on carrying as little documentation with me, so that if things go pear shaped, I will have that documentation to be able to continue my travels when things get back to normal?
(I am into adventure sports and camping, so pretty easy to lose stuff, I prefer to carry as little as possible).
Dave
(I am into adventure sports and camping, so pretty easy to lose stuff, I prefer to carry as little as possible).
Dave
Aug 3, 2015, 4:51 pm
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Aug 4, 2015, 7:04 am
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That they do, and proper immigration checks are very unusual on the Enterprise train. That's just how it works. It's difficult to explain, because those Americans would not strictly be travelling legally between the two countries. It is an understandable mistake for them to make as there is a lack of understanding about the geography and politics of the British Isles outside our islands. (Many outsiders already assumed Scotland was independent before the referendum!)
Are they supposed to go to a police station on arrival in the North and ask to be stamped in ??
Aug 4, 2015, 1:57 pm
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I thought that I understood that CTA reasonably well (from a UK/EI passport holder perspective) ... but now I'm wondering how is it possible for a non UK/EI person to legally enter Northern Ireland from the South ... since there is no opportunity to get their passport checked ?!
Are they supposed to go to a police station on arrival in the North and ask to be stamped in ??
Are they supposed to go to a police station on arrival in the North and ask to be stamped in ??
An EU, EEA or Swiss national does not need leave to enter the UK and may pass across the land border without any further ado. A non-EEA national who is not a visa national who enters the UK via the land border is deemed to have been given leave to enter as a visitor for 90 days. A visa national (or a non-EEA national who requires leave under some other category) must report to an immigration officer. Exactly how this is done is less than clear.