No soft landing [false alarm]
Apr 2, 2015, 4:28 pm
#91
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We don't know whether there are any new rules yet. We don't really know anything yet.
One point that stands out for me is that the OP says in post #1:
"I called again at lunch time and got the same response and says that this has always been the case"
That doesn't make it sound like the rules have just been changed. I hate to be the 'voice of reason' but we don't really know anything yet until we receive some official confirmation from somebody from BAEC who is in a position to comment.
One point that stands out for me is that the OP says in post #1:
"I called again at lunch time and got the same response and says that this has always been the case"
That doesn't make it sound like the rules have just been changed. I hate to be the 'voice of reason' but we don't really know anything yet until we receive some official confirmation from somebody from BAEC who is in a position to comment.
Apr 2, 2015, 8:24 pm
#92
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While I have been predicting it for a while now and remain confident that the soft landing will go some time in the near to medium future, I remain unconvinced that it's already happened.
Apr 3, 2015, 1:14 am
#93
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I don't think this has ever been listed in the official T&Cs as a benefit - looking back at a random date in 2010, there was nothing specific about soft landings but just this clause:
6.3. Tier level may be reduced at British Airways' discretion depending on the Tier Points earned or total number of eligible flights taken in the previous Year. Tier Points earned or eligible flights completed prior to the beginning of the relevant Year will not be counted for this purpose.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100530130836/http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ecterms/public/en_gb
I don't think this has ever been listed in the official T&Cs as a benefit - looking back at a random date in 2010, there was nothing specific about soft landings but just this clause:
6.3. Tier level may be reduced at British Airways' discretion depending on the Tier Points earned or total number of eligible flights taken in the previous Year. Tier Points earned or eligible flights completed prior to the beginning of the relevant Year will not be counted for this purpose.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100530130836/http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ecterms/public/en_gb
Apr 3, 2015, 1:48 am
#94
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I too am really lost here. We seem to have two very definite and entirely contradictory/mutually incompatible answers.
Part of me tends to believe the more negative because it is more "in character" for the current BA, and part of me thinks that even by BA's standards, removing something as significant as soft landing without saying so while they had to write to BAEC members multiple times to announce different disasters would be odd.
What is pretty obvious is that BAEC seems to have deserted Flyertalk and showed their complete lack of interest in it. A couple of years ago, Nicci would have jumped in within minutes to settle that somewhat surreal argument one way or another. Sad
Part of me tends to believe the more negative because it is more "in character" for the current BA, and part of me thinks that even by BA's standards, removing something as significant as soft landing without saying so while they had to write to BAEC members multiple times to announce different disasters would be odd.
What is pretty obvious is that BAEC seems to have deserted Flyertalk and showed their complete lack of interest in it. A couple of years ago, Nicci would have jumped in within minutes to settle that somewhat surreal argument one way or another. Sad
Apr 3, 2015, 1:56 am
#95
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BA would never have had to say anything since it was never documented (afaik) that there actually was a soft landing
If the benefit was never officially in existence, then there would be no need to say it was being removed surely?
If the benefit was never officially in existence, then there would be no need to say it was being removed surely?
Apr 3, 2015, 2:00 am
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/10018718-post9.html
So, it was dcoumented at some point.
Apr 3, 2015, 2:05 am
#97
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Maybe it has become discretionary and not automatic as stated in the T&C and depends on your flying petterns? Non-BA-flight-heavy person- no soft landing, BA flight-heavy person, soft landing.
Well I hope for the sake of Silver members who hard earn it that the automatic soft landing has been removed so that the GC crowding will be eased!
Well I hope for the sake of Silver members who hard earn it that the automatic soft landing has been removed so that the GC crowding will be eased!
Last edited by LTN Phobia; Apr 3, 2015 at 2:10 am
Apr 3, 2015, 2:05 am
#98
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From the official rep on here...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/10018718-post9.html
So, it was dcoumented at some point.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/10018718-post9.html
So, it was dcoumented at some point.
Apr 3, 2015, 2:20 am
#101
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I emailed the FT BAExecutiveClub account about 3 weeks ago, and a helpful chap called Cameron sorted me out.
Why not message him?
Why not message him?
Apr 3, 2015, 2:27 am
#102
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(*) edited to add: that's not a comment on their competence, it's a realistic recognition that BA often don't tell their employees what company policy is.
Last edited by fripperies; Apr 3, 2015 at 2:36 am
Apr 3, 2015, 2:51 am
#103
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Actually changing between green (sick) and red (angry)!
Apr 3, 2015, 2:57 am
#105
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I wonder if the actuality is somewhere between the two "official" responses posted above and that the new policy is that you need the minimum number of BA flights for the soft landing to kick in (2 for Bronze, 4 for Silver).
Ignoring the lack of any real communication if there has been a change, I actually think that would be a fair process.
Ignoring the lack of any real communication if there has been a change, I actually think that would be a fair process.