Incident at JNB [BA 744 G-BNLL collides with building]
Dec 27, 2013, 7:27 pm
#406
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Out of curiosity and without trawling back through all the numerous pages (maybe I missed it) when will there be an Interim Report published for public viewing? (if that is even the case?)
Dec 28, 2013, 11:45 am
#407
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ACARS I think airlines should ban frying pans, pieces of card, balls of tinfoil and petrol on board before they ban phones 
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Petrol stations also ask that engines are turned off which our American friend mentioned.....
The main point you have missed is that aircraft fuel is not highly flammable like petrol and those in the know who posted on here said it needed a very high heat source to ignite it.
. Petrol stations also ask that engines are turned off which our American friend mentioned.....
The main point you have missed is that aircraft fuel is not highly flammable like petrol and those in the know who posted on here said it needed a very high heat source to ignite it.
Aviation fuel = JET A1 = Aviation spirit = a refined form of kerosene (US English) paraffin (British English)
Jet A-1 is a kerosene grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engine aircraft. It is produced to a stringent internationally agreed standard, has a flash point above 38°C (100°F) and a freeze point maximum of -47°C.
Petroleum means - any product of crude petroleum which has a flashpoint below 21°C.
Although 38 C is a bit higher than petrol, the flash point cannot be considered any less dangerous (as anyone who has poured a bit of paraffin on a damp bonfire to help get it going it will realise!)
I am not going to speculate on this unfortunate incident, only to add my sympathies to passengers caught up in delays as a result and to the unfortunate pilots who will have spent their Christmas trying to make sense of what happened.
Dec 28, 2013, 11:51 am
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Tried to find where it will be posted on the South African aviation authority website but I can't (admittedly after a few Bombays).
Dec 28, 2013, 1:46 pm
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In the neantime those with firsthand knowledge and or BA representative please tell us whether the Captain or CC by themselves, are authorized to say "no photographs " on board the aircraft and on SA soil or buses? Is it standard procedure ?
Of course the prelim reports and "leaked" version and final report should be of great interest for many here.
Of course the prelim reports and "leaked" version and final report should be of great interest for many here.
Dec 28, 2013, 1:50 pm
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In the neantime those with firsthand knowledge and or BA representative please tell us whether the Captain or CC by themselves, are authorized to say "no photographs " on board the aircraft and on SA soil or buses? Is it standard procedure ?
Of course the prelim reports and "leaked" version and final report should be of great interest for many here.
Of course the prelim reports and "leaked" version and final report should be of great interest for many here.
They may be legitimate questions. However, it is now getting to the stage of sounding like an old broken record. For those that wish to continue the debate of PED's during incidents/emergencies and what not, kindly do so by way of PM.
Thank you for cooperating.
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Thank you for cooperating.
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Dec 28, 2013, 1:58 pm
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I am also interested in hearing more about what happened to the passengers after they got off the plane.
Were they bussed back to the terminal? Did they use a special entrance and were they segregated from other travelers in a special area?
Did they go through standard immigrations and customs procedures or was something special set up?
I understand they ended up staying in hotels overnight and then being put onto other flights.
When they were re-booked, were they all rebooked on BA or also on other airlines? What about connecting flights?
Were they all re-booked into their original class of service?
What kind of compensation do you receive for an event like this?
There are so many interesting things to discuss beyond the PED/photographs issue.
Were they bussed back to the terminal? Did they use a special entrance and were they segregated from other travelers in a special area?
Did they go through standard immigrations and customs procedures or was something special set up?
I understand they ended up staying in hotels overnight and then being put onto other flights.
When they were re-booked, were they all rebooked on BA or also on other airlines? What about connecting flights?
Were they all re-booked into their original class of service?
What kind of compensation do you receive for an event like this?
There are so many interesting things to discuss beyond the PED/photographs issue.
Dec 28, 2013, 2:17 pm
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I am also interested in hearing more about what happened to the passengers after they got off the plane.
Were they bussed back to the terminal? Did they use a special entrance and were they segregated from other travelers in a special area?
Did they go through standard immigrations and customs procedures or was something special set up?
I understand they ended up staying in hotels overnight and then being put onto other flights.
When they were re-booked, were they all rebooked on BA or also on other airlines? What about connecting flights?
Were they all re-booked into their original class of service?
What kind of compensation do you receive for an event like this?
There are so many interesting things to discuss beyond the PED/photographs issue.
Were they bussed back to the terminal? Did they use a special entrance and were they segregated from other travelers in a special area?
Did they go through standard immigrations and customs procedures or was something special set up?
I understand they ended up staying in hotels overnight and then being put onto other flights.
When they were re-booked, were they all rebooked on BA or also on other airlines? What about connecting flights?
Were they all re-booked into their original class of service?
What kind of compensation do you receive for an event like this?
There are so many interesting things to discuss beyond the PED/photographs issue.
Dec 28, 2013, 7:05 pm
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Out of curiosity and without trawling back through all the numerous pages (maybe I missed it) when will there be an Interim Report published for public viewing? (if that is even the case?)
) so we will just have to wait and see.
Dec 29, 2013, 12:30 am
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Indeed but I don't really know how long an Interim Report takes in general terms. I have stayed away from this thread as only the official report will state what happened despite all the speculation on this thread although I suspect many know already. I also can't find any information (and that is without any alcohol ) so we will just have to wait and see.
) so we will just have to wait and see.
Dec 29, 2013, 2:37 am
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Taken from my textbooks:
Aviation fuel = JET A1 = Aviation spirit = a refined form of kerosene (US English) paraffin (British English)
Jet A-1 is a kerosene grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engine aircraft. It is produced to a stringent internationally agreed standard, has a flash point above 38°C (100°F) and a freeze point maximum of -47°C.
Petroleum means - any product of crude petroleum which has a flashpoint below 21°C.
Although 38 C is a bit higher than petrol, the flash point cannot be considered any less dangerous (as anyone who has poured a bit of paraffin on a damp bonfire to help get it going it will realise!)
I am not going to speculate on this unfortunate incident, only to add my sympathies to passengers caught up in delays as a result and to the unfortunate pilots who will have spent their Christmas trying to make sense of what happened.
Aviation fuel = JET A1 = Aviation spirit = a refined form of kerosene (US English) paraffin (British English)
Jet A-1 is a kerosene grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engine aircraft. It is produced to a stringent internationally agreed standard, has a flash point above 38°C (100°F) and a freeze point maximum of -47°C.
Petroleum means - any product of crude petroleum which has a flashpoint below 21°C.
Although 38 C is a bit higher than petrol, the flash point cannot be considered any less dangerous (as anyone who has poured a bit of paraffin on a damp bonfire to help get it going it will realise!)
I am not going to speculate on this unfortunate incident, only to add my sympathies to passengers caught up in delays as a result and to the unfortunate pilots who will have spent their Christmas trying to make sense of what happened.
Rapidex post #40
BOH post #139
Karfa post #142
Pteron post #154
Dera posts #165, 206
If indeed it is highly flammable I would be suggesting another course of action....
Now I'm just confused
Dec 29, 2013, 4:43 am
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I think this will define what the Investigators have collated so far and the potential reasons. I think folks will be curious to read it given the human beings nature to know things especially on forums like this.
Dec 29, 2013, 4:52 am
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Don't be. Jet-A1 is not highly flammable. You have to pressurise it, then vapourise it to get it to ignite. If you throw chip fat on a bonfire it'll burn but I don't think anyone is claiming sunflower oil is an accident waiting to happen.
Dec 29, 2013, 4:59 am
#420
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Bealine, don't believe everything you read in text books
