Incident at JNB [BA 744 G-BNLL collides with building]
Dec 23, 2013, 3:12 pm
#286
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silly that BA would think they could control photos of the same...sort of like when thai airways tried to black out their fin on a crash...[the act of trying to stop taking photos is and will be construed against them more negatively than the pictures, which, would eventually get out anyway..when will companies learn this...]
silly that BA would think they could control photos of the same...sort of like when thai airways tried to black out their fin on a crash...[the act of trying to stop taking photos is and will be construed against them more negatively than the pictures, which, would eventually get out anyway..when will companies learn this...]
Dec 23, 2013, 3:18 pm
#287
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I've heard many people say this, and I always calmly swear by it.
I'll quietly put my phone (fully charged), passport and credit card or two into my pocket, then relax. Keep shoes on, wear a jumper if its cold outside. Always check your exits, and also check the passengers around you - any elderly, obese, young children, idiots, etc. I do believe being aware of the passengers around you is as an important safety factor as knowing where the exit it.
I'll quietly put my phone (fully charged), passport and credit card or two into my pocket, then relax. Keep shoes on, wear a jumper if its cold outside. Always check your exits, and also check the passengers around you - any elderly, obese, young children, idiots, etc. I do believe being aware of the passengers around you is as an important safety factor as knowing where the exit it.
Dec 23, 2013, 4:15 pm
#289
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Thankfully the people making those decisions know so much more about aviation safety than you do. Even rwy incursions which are much more likely to cause serious accidents do not lead to job termination. They assess the training required, complete the training and back to the saddle.
Dec 23, 2013, 4:16 pm
#290
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check beneath the seat if the life jacket is actually in its pouch. (not as easy in W-J-F so I just check the pull tab is there)
Dec 23, 2013, 8:36 pm
#291
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Looks like the building suffered worse damage than the plane. Yes, good thing no one appeared to be in the building.
As for the pilots in question, would they be getting the sack for this? The news said that the ATC didn't tell them which runway to turned to. But shouldn't the pilots know which taxiway they could or could not turned to? BA's SOP meant they would have gone over those Jeppesen charts which give a detailed layout of the airport after all...
As for the pilots in question, would they be getting the sack for this? The news said that the ATC didn't tell them which runway to turned to. But shouldn't the pilots know which taxiway they could or could not turned to? BA's SOP meant they would have gone over those Jeppesen charts which give a detailed layout of the airport after all...
Dec 23, 2013, 9:16 pm
#292
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In YVR, BA in the last 10 years, has three time done something similar. The most recent was a coule months ago.
Turned onto taxiway DW when they were told to taxi on D for 26L.
Scroll to page 2 to see what I mean.
These all were pilot errors. The JNB incident sounds very similar.
As for repairs. It shouldn't take to long to clean up the wing and ferry it home. I saw a KL744 in LAX last month on a revenue flight missing it's right winglet.
Turned onto taxiway DW when they were told to taxi on D for 26L.
Scroll to page 2 to see what I mean.
These all were pilot errors. The JNB incident sounds very similar.
As for repairs. It shouldn't take to long to clean up the wing and ferry it home. I saw a KL744 in LAX last month on a revenue flight missing it's right winglet.
Dec 23, 2013, 10:01 pm
#293
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This is more than a case of a missing winglet though. The entire leading edge from the engine 4 bracket is torn to shreds judging by the picture.
Dec 23, 2013, 11:17 pm
#294
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To offset the extra weight of the tape they could reduce the amount of meals loaded for First customers and remove items from amenity kits.
Dec 24, 2013, 12:30 am
#296
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If you compare with the QF A380 from a few years ago at SIN where the wing suffered structural damage, that took around 18 months IIRC to inspect, assess and repair the damage at a cost of $140M. Probably not a direct comparison as far as damage is concerned but given this BA 744 is 20 years old and >100,000 hours it will probably never fly again...
Dec 24, 2013, 12:32 am
#297
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And re. the missing winglet, it is completely normal to operate without one and the Operating Handbook gives the fuel consumption penalties for 1 or 2 missing winglets on them. Same with 330/340 Airbuses.
Dec 24, 2013, 12:36 am
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The AOG guys will get it all figured out one way or another.
Dec 24, 2013, 1:29 am
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I wonder if BA's next A380, G-XLED,will be delivered early now? Its currently at Toulouse waiting after its ferry flight from Finkenwerder, Germany. BA's A380's are delivered from Toulouse rather than Finkenwerder unlike other European operators.
Dec 24, 2013, 2:08 am
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