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BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

Old Aug 24, 12, 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
I don't know if the JV has changed anything but unless I'm mistaken BA wouldn't have the right to pick up new pax at JFK be it for a domestic flight or a flight to Canada.
They certainly could not pick up pax in JFK for another US destination as cabotage, even consecutive cabotage, is streng verboten under the US-EU agreement (or indeed any other ASA with the US as they will not allow cabotage by foreign carriers). OTOH, I believe that a JFK-Canada flight would be OK under the US-EU agreement. I have not looked at what the story is regarding the Canada side of the story, though, since it would also have to be authorised under the relevant UK-Canada (or EU-Canada?, not sure if there is one of if it is still national bilaterals) agreement.
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Old Aug 24, 12, 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by KenJohn View Post
Out of interest, is there pre-clearance in Dublin?
Yes.

I think it runs until 4pm.
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Old Aug 24, 12, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by NickB View Post
They certainly could not pick up pax in JFK for another US destination as cabotage, even consecutive cabotage, is streng verboten under the US-EU agreement (or indeed any other ASA with the US as they will not allow cabotage by foreign carriers). OTOH, I believe that a JFK-Canada flight would be OK under the US-EU agreement. I have not looked at what the story is regarding the Canada side of the story, though, since it would also have to be authorised under the relevant UK-Canada (or EU-Canada?, not sure if there is one of if it is still national bilaterals) agreement.
Thanks! Then I guess JFK-YYZ-JFK might be a possibility if one considered there would be a market for a once daily premium route there (but I would personally doubt it)
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Old Aug 24, 12, 5:44 am
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They should fly into HPN. It's just about as close to NYC as JFK and much more convenient for the hedgies in Connecticut and the other folks that live out there.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 6:08 pm
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BA3 loses Shannon pre-clearance from 28 October

Originally Posted by Gold Digger View Post
I've just noticed on the BA website that pre-US immigration clearance at Shannon will be available only on BA1 from 28 October, so it seems moving the flight 3 hours earlier was the only way BA could get the US authorities to play ball.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...n/public/en_gb

Doesnt this take the shine off this unique service??

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When did this sudden appear?

More importantly, can I get BA to chance my flight to BA1 as I booked BA3 for the Shannon pre-clearance. It is not a retime but it is a different service to the one I booked. Why put up with the longer flight time and no lounge at LCY when I still have to queue at JFK immigration.

Sorry to set up a new thread but I think the BA3 issue deserves a separate thread as it is a different point

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Old Sep 5, 12, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by KenJohn View Post
When did this sudden appear?

More importantly, can I get BA to chance my flight to BA1 as I booked BA3 for the Shannon pre-clearance. It is not a retime but it is a different service to the one I booked. Why put up with the longer flight time and no lounge at LCY when I still have to queue at JFK immigration.

Sorry to set up a new thread but I think the BA3 issue deserves a separate thread as it is a different point
Being discussed here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...e-shannon.html
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Old Sep 5, 12, 6:22 pm
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Grr - its now fact rather than speculation.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 6:54 pm
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
Thanks! Then I guess JFK-YYZ-JFK might be a possibility if one considered there would be a market for a once daily premium route there (but I would personally doubt it)
It's been done before. The BHX-JFK flight (or was it GLA?) used to continue to YYZ.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by NonSmokingWindow View Post
It's been done before. The BHX-JFK flight (or was it GLA?) used to continue to YYZ.
Yes it was BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK-BOS, both of which backtracked....
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Old Sep 5, 12, 8:04 pm
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Actually all BA needs to do is provide a special services escort through immigration. Only 32 pax max and many times far fewer. Bags on the conveyor belt and out of the terminal no more than 15 minutes after disembarkation at T7 would be easy.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 9:29 pm
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
Thanks! Then I guess JFK-YYZ-JFK might be a possibility if one considered there would be a market for a once daily premium route there (but I would personally doubt it)
Shame YTZ doesn't allow jets.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 10:49 pm
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Breaking news

Here's the new schedule, effective 28OCT12:

Code:
BA 1 LCYJFK 0950 1520/1420 318 M 1 X567
BA 1 LCYJFK 1250 1815/1715 318 M 1 5

BA 3 LCYJFK 1600 2130/2030 318 M 1 X6
Note: the second arrival time is effective after the end of US DST on 04NOV12.

BA 1 will continue to pre-clear customs in Shannon during the re-fueling stop.

BA 3 will no longer pre-clear customs in Shannon and will arrive in New York as an international flight.

As per this thread, this is due to to U.S. CBP reducing the opening times of their pre-clearance facility at Shannon Airport.

The new schedule is already loaded on GDSs.
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Old Sep 5, 12, 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by NonSmokingWindow View Post
It's been done before. The BHX-JFK flight (or was it GLA?) used to continue to YYZ.
And YVR used to continue to DTW.
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Old Sep 6, 12, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by hillrider View Post
BA 3 will no longer pre-clear customs in Shannon and will arrive in New York as an international flight.

As per this thread, this is due to to U.S. CBP reducing the opening times of their pre-clearance facility at Shannon Airport.

The new schedule is already loaded on GDSs.
Wow, if that is confirmed, they I would imagine loads on that flight could fall fairly quickly? The killer would be if they put Wi-Fi n the LHR fleet, and then there would be little to differentiate the service at all (for my colleagues at least).
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Old Sep 6, 12, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by Markie View Post
And YVR used to continue to DTW.
YUL/Montreal I think!

Vancouver might be seen as a slightly long way round of getting to Detroit, even by FT standards....
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