BA Executive Club -Stopover Rule
Jan 16, 2010, 8:53 pm
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I was REALLY hoping someone would verify this in the affirmative from their own recent experience^.
So if i could find a nice (full of connections, yet fairly direct) route to India from the U.S., then i can stop at quite a few places in Asia en route to India. Sorta turn this simple award ticket into a mini-halfway-RTW ticket.
So if i could find a nice (full of connections, yet fairly direct) route to India from the U.S., then i can stop at quite a few places in Asia en route to India. Sorta turn this simple award ticket into a mini-halfway-RTW ticket.
Airlines cannot fly just anywhere they want - they have to have to landing rights. With the exception of Fifth Freedom Flights, airlines usually can only originate from its own countries then fly to other countries gateway cities, may be one city beyond. Hence there are the needs for codeshare flights. You know that codeshares are not eligible for award redemption so dont even waste your time in looking such.
If India is your destination, and you want to have stopovers in Asia, CX may be your best bet. Pull up a CX route map to see how it goes from HKG to India.
Jan 16, 2010, 9:00 pm
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You probably dont understand how airlines routes are developed.
Airlines cannot fly just anywhere they want - they have to have to landing rights. With the exception of Fifth Freedom Flights, airlines usually can only originate from its own countries then fly to other countries gateway cities, may be one city beyond. Hence there are the needs for codeshare flights. You know that codeshares are not eligible for award redemption so dont even waste your time in looking such.
If India is your destination, and you want to have stopovers in Asia, CX may be your best bet. Pull up a CX route map to see how it goes from HKG to India.
Airlines cannot fly just anywhere they want - they have to have to landing rights. With the exception of Fifth Freedom Flights, airlines usually can only originate from its own countries then fly to other countries gateway cities, may be one city beyond. Hence there are the needs for codeshare flights. You know that codeshares are not eligible for award redemption so dont even waste your time in looking such.
If India is your destination, and you want to have stopovers in Asia, CX may be your best bet. Pull up a CX route map to see how it goes from HKG to India.
Last edited by frankiwa; Jan 16, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Jan 26, 2010, 11:50 pm
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bump..another stopover question. If we wanted to go from LAX to Easter Island could we do 2 stopovers? 1 in LIM and another in SCL? that would be a heck of a deal for 40K in Y or double that for business class.
Jan 27, 2010, 12:13 pm
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Jan 27, 2010, 12:20 pm
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Mar 8, 2010, 11:09 pm
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Just gathering opinions...
You think that BAEC would approve an award ticket for the following routing?
GRU-->EZE (stopover)-->LIM-->LAX on LAN for 40K one partner redemption?
You think that BAEC would approve an award ticket for the following routing?
GRU-->EZE (stopover)-->LIM-->LAX on LAN for 40K one partner redemption?
Mar 15, 2010, 9:46 pm
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Given that you can do these as one ways and get a stopover in each direction, these awards are a real deal with any FF currency. I had only looked at mixed partner or BA only awards in the past and just recently noticed that some CX only awards were showing up at much lower mileage levels. It took me a while to find the one partner award chart at http://www.britishairways.com/travel...e/public/en_us but since I did I have realized how great of a deal this is for F for awards like N America to Far East! In comparison to my other main bank of miles (dont laugh, DL), these F awards are less than what I can find in J (if I am lucky) with DL miles.
Mar 16, 2010, 4:23 am
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Based on that chart, it is roundtrip. So Singapore to Vancouver is what? Half roundtrip x class of service?
And if I route sin to hkg to lax to yvr, I can stopover unlimited?
Is first class on cx or jl worth 75k oneway?
And if I route sin to hkg to lax to yvr, I can stopover unlimited?
Is first class on cx or jl worth 75k oneway?
Mar 16, 2010, 11:30 am
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I'd say CX J for 50k O/W or CX F for 75k O/W are both really good deals for this routing.
You cannot go SIN-HKG-LAX-YVR on CX one partner award though (no CX flight from LAX-YVR). You could do 2 one ways SIN-HKG-LAX and YVR-HKG-SIN and you could get stopovers in HKG both ways. AS has pretty decent prices to close the jaw LAX-YVR.
Alternatively, you could do one leg on CX and one on JL, to enable a stopover in NRT one way and HKG the other. But to do that in F your JL flight would have to be ex-LAX or ex-SFO (2 class 744 on YVR-NRT).
Also, neither CX nor JL have F on the SIN-HKG v.v. and SIN-NRT v.v. segments, as they only run 2 class planes on those routes.
You cannot go SIN-HKG-LAX-YVR on CX one partner award though (no CX flight from LAX-YVR). You could do 2 one ways SIN-HKG-LAX and YVR-HKG-SIN and you could get stopovers in HKG both ways. AS has pretty decent prices to close the jaw LAX-YVR.
Alternatively, you could do one leg on CX and one on JL, to enable a stopover in NRT one way and HKG the other. But to do that in F your JL flight would have to be ex-LAX or ex-SFO (2 class 744 on YVR-NRT).
Also, neither CX nor JL have F on the SIN-HKG v.v. and SIN-NRT v.v. segments, as they only run 2 class planes on those routes.
Mar 16, 2010, 1:51 pm
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This is a good one
JFK-YVR-HKG-BKK-BOM
4 sectors in CX F or J. Stopovers in all places. In the old days, you could have carried onto DXB.
JFK-YVR-HKG-BKK-BOM
4 sectors in CX F or J. Stopovers in all places. In the old days, you could have carried onto DXB.
Mar 16, 2010, 2:23 pm
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Mar 16, 2010, 4:09 pm
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had JL not cancelled MEX-YVR, another interesting TPAC to India would have been MEX-YVR-NRT-DEL
Hypothetically, one could still do GRU-JFK-NRT-DEL on JL for a pretty reasonable amount (120K in Y for r/t) if TPAC allowed.
Mar 16, 2010, 4:23 pm
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Not as good a deal, India/Lanka are in "South Asia" as opposed to "Far East" zone. So 80k Y, 160k J and 240k F per roundtrip.
JFK-YVR-HKG-SIN is really a deal if you can take the stopovers!
JFK-YVR-HKG-SIN is really a deal if you can take the stopovers!
so how much does it cost to route that, miles-wise? I had thought that US-India was only routable TATL.
had JL not cancelled MEX-YVR, another interesting TPAC to India would have been MEX-YVR-NRT-DEL
Hypothetically, one could still do GRU-JFK-NRT-DEL on JL for a pretty reasonable amount (120K in Y for r/t) if TPAC allowed.
had JL not cancelled MEX-YVR, another interesting TPAC to India would have been MEX-YVR-NRT-DEL
Hypothetically, one could still do GRU-JFK-NRT-DEL on JL for a pretty reasonable amount (120K in Y for r/t) if TPAC allowed.
Mar 19, 2010, 10:09 am
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I'm getting myself confused here.
If I wanted, as I do, to go LHR - BKK - PEK in F
then firkle around China for a few days, including Xian, getting somehow to Hong Kong / Shenzhen.
Then come back HKG - SIN - LHR in F
is there any way I can do that as an award?
The routing, apart from PEK, is fixed as I'm fitting in 2 conferences and an electronics show.
I have enough *A points to do one direction in F and the >240K for BA to do either one way or return.
If I wanted, as I do, to go LHR - BKK - PEK in F
then firkle around China for a few days, including Xian, getting somehow to Hong Kong / Shenzhen.
Then come back HKG - SIN - LHR in F
is there any way I can do that as an award?
The routing, apart from PEK, is fixed as I'm fitting in 2 conferences and an electronics show.
I have enough *A points to do one direction in F and the >240K for BA to do either one way or return.
Mar 19, 2010, 2:50 pm
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I'm getting myself confused here.
If I wanted, as I do, to go LHR - BKK - PEK in F
then firkle around China for a few days, including Xian, getting somehow to Hong Kong / Shenzhen.
Then come back HKG - SIN - LHR in F
is there any way I can do that as an award?
The routing, apart from PEK, is fixed as I'm fitting in 2 conferences and an electronics show.
I have enough *A points to do one direction in F and the >240K for BA to do either one way or return.
If I wanted, as I do, to go LHR - BKK - PEK in F
then firkle around China for a few days, including Xian, getting somehow to Hong Kong / Shenzhen.
Then come back HKG - SIN - LHR in F
is there any way I can do that as an award?
The routing, apart from PEK, is fixed as I'm fitting in 2 conferences and an electronics show.
I have enough *A points to do one direction in F and the >240K for BA to do either one way or return.