AA to start MAN-MIA... what about BD?
May 23, 2004, 12:32 pm
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AA to start MAN-MIA... what about BD?
The AA board has a thread suggesting that come November AA will begin two-class 763 service MIA-MAN.
Wasn't this a route that BD was exploring? Perhaps as a replacement for YYZ-MAN when that seasonal route isn't running?
Wasn't this a route that BD was exploring? Perhaps as a replacement for YYZ-MAN when that seasonal route isn't running?
May 23, 2004, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by 1K-SFO
The AA board has a thread suggesting that come November AA will begin two-class 763 service MIA-MAN.
Wasn't this a route that BD was exploring? Perhaps as a replacement for YYZ-MAN when that seasonal route isn't running?
Wasn't this a route that BD was exploring? Perhaps as a replacement for YYZ-MAN when that seasonal route isn't running?
May 24, 2004, 4:05 am
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Sheer, unfounded speculation - MAN-CLT, to connect with USAirways? It might actually be better than trying to compete head-to-head with AA/BA on MAN-MIA, since US could provide comparable connections throughout the southeastern US and Caribbean as to what AA would provide out of MIA, and far superior to anything BD could get from MIA.
May 24, 2004, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by chalf
Sheer, unfounded speculation - MAN-CLT, to connect with USAirways? It might actually be better than trying to compete head-to-head with AA/BA on MAN-MIA, since US could provide comparable connections throughout the southeastern US and Caribbean as to what AA would provide out of MIA, and far superior to anything BD could get from MIA.
May 24, 2004, 11:08 pm
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The problem with longer routes; South Africa, West Coast of the USA, Pakistan etc. is that these require 2 aircraft to offer a daily service because of the long flying times one aircraft cannot manage it.
I doubt DEN, since they already operate to ORD. MIA would have been nice, but since UA closed it's South American connections its not so great, especially since package tour operators fly that route.
Looking at past performance, BMI will want a route that can use *A codeshare flights into a *A hub to help sell seats.
I doubt DEN, since they already operate to ORD. MIA would have been nice, but since UA closed it's South American connections its not so great, especially since package tour operators fly that route.
Looking at past performance, BMI will want a route that can use *A codeshare flights into a *A hub to help sell seats.
May 25, 2004, 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by Peter M
The problem with longer routes; South Africa, West Coast of the USA, Pakistan etc. is that these require 2 aircraft to offer a daily service because of the long flying times one aircraft cannot manage it.
I doubt DEN, since they already operate to ORD. MIA would have been nice, but since UA closed it's South American connections its not so great, especially since package tour operators fly that route.
Looking at past performance, BMI will want a route that can use *A codeshare flights into a *A hub to help sell seats.
I doubt DEN, since they already operate to ORD. MIA would have been nice, but since UA closed it's South American connections its not so great, especially since package tour operators fly that route.
Looking at past performance, BMI will want a route that can use *A codeshare flights into a *A hub to help sell seats.
As for the aircraft cycle problem mentioned above, is there enough time to schedule a 3 day cycle of MAN - LAX - MAN - IAD - MAN - ORD - MAN and run three planes on this cycle, for example.
It is also worth noting that BD don't always offer daily services on their long haul.
May 25, 2004, 7:33 am
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If flying to North America, I would agree that it would be most likely to be to a *A hub.
The problem with CLT is that US already has a PHL-MAN. They would probably be more inclined to route customers that way rather than via CLT on BD.
However, an alternative approach is to find a niche point-to-point route likely to generate good yields (I guess that it is the idea behind the Carribean routes) and it might perhaps be a better strategy for BD than another US route.
The problem with CLT is that US already has a PHL-MAN. They would probably be more inclined to route customers that way rather than via CLT on BD.
However, an alternative approach is to find a niche point-to-point route likely to generate good yields (I guess that it is the idea behind the Carribean routes) and it might perhaps be a better strategy for BD than another US route.
May 25, 2004, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by NickB
If flying to North America, I would agree that it would be most likely to be to a *A hub.
The problem with CLT is that US already has a PHL-MAN. They would probably be more inclined to route customers that way rather than via CLT on BD.
However, an alternative approach is to find a niche point-to-point route likely to generate good yields (I guess that it is the idea behind the Carribean routes) and it might perhaps be a better strategy for BD than another US route.
The problem with CLT is that US already has a PHL-MAN. They would probably be more inclined to route customers that way rather than via CLT on BD.
However, an alternative approach is to find a niche point-to-point route likely to generate good yields (I guess that it is the idea behind the Carribean routes) and it might perhaps be a better strategy for BD than another US route.
How about MAN-SFO? Would make connections to the western US and Hawaii easier. There's also no west coast competition as yet ex-MAN.
Another possibility (I stress I have no basis for this beyond my fertile imagination) would be flying to Asia - if SQ were to ever drop the MAN service BD could step in. MAN-BKK or MAN-NRT would also be doable in theory, allowing access to local *A connections (though slots at NRT could be an issue).
May 26, 2004, 3:12 am
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SQ drop their MAN service ??
How dare you suggest such a thing 
Aside from being absolutely mortified, I cannot see any reason that would even be considered. The loads are excellent now they've gone direct 5 times a week, over 70% of pax going down under.
I believe BOM is being strongly considered by BD and I think it would do really well. When SQ used to stop in BOM twice a week on the SIN flights all 3 classes were always sold out.
BKK is another possibility with Thailand being the number 1 long haul holiday destination from the UK. I believe MAN have been trying to woo TG to MAN for many years, and having been close a couple of times are confident they will 'get them' !.
CX are coming next year to HKG 4 times a week, twice via MUC and twice via SVO (?), so it's getting busy with the long hauls from here ^
Aside from being absolutely mortified, I cannot see any reason that would even be considered. The loads are excellent now they've gone direct 5 times a week, over 70% of pax going down under.
I believe BOM is being strongly considered by BD and I think it would do really well. When SQ used to stop in BOM twice a week on the SIN flights all 3 classes were always sold out.
BKK is another possibility with Thailand being the number 1 long haul holiday destination from the UK. I believe MAN have been trying to woo TG to MAN for many years, and having been close a couple of times are confident they will 'get them' !.
CX are coming next year to HKG 4 times a week, twice via MUC and twice via SVO (?), so it's getting busy with the long hauls from here ^