Creative Itineraries now that LH-owned airlines are gone
Apr 18, 2012, 10:49 pm
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Creative Itineraries now that LH-owned airlines are gone
Ideas for creative itineraries now that LH-owned airlines are gone...and some questions.
Europe - Asia: Best bet = TG and OZ, SQ (limited availability)
Intra Europe: TAP, TK, SAS Other ideas?
Will BD now allow stopovers in Zone 1 / 2 if travelling long-haul ?
Are open-jaws allowed on one-way awards through Europe?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Perhaps we can list our creative itineraries and successful bookings?
Europe - Asia: Best bet = TG and OZ, SQ (limited availability)
Intra Europe: TAP, TK, SAS Other ideas?
Will BD now allow stopovers in Zone 1 / 2 if travelling long-haul ?
Are open-jaws allowed on one-way awards through Europe?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Perhaps we can list our creative itineraries and successful bookings?
Last edited by 1k650; Apr 19, 2012 at 12:18 am
Apr 18, 2012, 11:57 pm
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TG seems good for Asia - booked a o/w yesterday VTE-GVA through FRA (OK, with last leg LH, but...).
But for some reason, I wanted a direct OSL-BKK on the return (which exists as I have the wife booked on it already), but they could not see it on their system...
Any ideas why that would be???
But for some reason, I wanted a direct OSL-BKK on the return (which exists as I have the wife booked on it already), but they could not see it on their system...
Any ideas why that would be???
Apr 19, 2012, 12:04 am
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No, not OS. They're part of the LH "Family", along with SN and LX.
For intra-European, you're pretty much stuffed. You've got SK and TP, and TK at a stretch.
What LH's little trantrum has done is make it nigh-on impossible to do Central Europe (because routings like LHR-CPH-ZRH are ridiculously long, and LHR-LIS-ZRH will get knocked out on MPM rules), and routings that connect like LHR-FRA (SQ)SIN/(TG)BKK.
It also dramatically reduces TATL inventory (to US, UA and AC), and African inventory (to BD and SA).
Only Asia is (relatively) unaffected because OS only operated VIE-BKK, and LX only does ZRH-BKK, and LH usually runs in parallel to SQ/TG to places like SIN, BKK, KUL. That leaves CA, OZ, SQ, TG, TK and MS all providing inventory to Asia and beyond.
For intra-European, you're pretty much stuffed. You've got SK and TP, and TK at a stretch.
What LH's little trantrum has done is make it nigh-on impossible to do Central Europe (because routings like LHR-CPH-ZRH are ridiculously long, and LHR-LIS-ZRH will get knocked out on MPM rules), and routings that connect like LHR-FRA (SQ)SIN/(TG)BKK.
It also dramatically reduces TATL inventory (to US, UA and AC), and African inventory (to BD and SA).
Only Asia is (relatively) unaffected because OS only operated VIE-BKK, and LX only does ZRH-BKK, and LH usually runs in parallel to SQ/TG to places like SIN, BKK, KUL. That leaves CA, OZ, SQ, TG, TK and MS all providing inventory to Asia and beyond.
Apr 19, 2012, 12:07 am
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Ideas for creative itineraries now that LH-owned airlines are gone...and some questions.
Europe - Asia: Best bet = TG and OS, SQ (limited availability)
Intra Europe: TAP, TK, SAS Other ideas?
Will BD now allow stopovers in Zone 1 / 2 if travelling long-haul ?
Are open-jaws allowed on one-way awards through Europe?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Perhaps we can list our creative itineraries and successful bookings?
Europe - Asia: Best bet = TG and OS, SQ (limited availability)
Intra Europe: TAP, TK, SAS Other ideas?
Will BD now allow stopovers in Zone 1 / 2 if travelling long-haul ?
Are open-jaws allowed on one-way awards through Europe?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Perhaps we can list our creative itineraries and successful bookings?
Also consider ana, sk and air nz (lhr-hkg) for asia, or if needed air china. For europe sk is fine in C.
Apr 19, 2012, 12:13 am
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KF, A3, JP and LO are also options for Europe. Not so for inta-Europe travel, but rather to create itineraries that connect to long haul networks.
Apr 19, 2012, 12:20 am
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Apr 19, 2012, 12:25 am
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No, not OS. They're part of the LH "Family", along with SN and LX.
For intra-European, you're pretty much stuffed. You've got SK and TP, and TK at a stretch.
What LH's little trantrum has done is make it nigh-on impossible to do Central Europe (because routings like LHR-CPH-ZRH are ridiculously long, and LHR-LIS-ZRH will get knocked out on MPM rules), and routings that connect like LHR-FRA (SQ)SIN/(TG)BKK.
It also dramatically reduces TATL inventory (to US, UA and AC), and African inventory (to BD and SA).
Only Asia is (relatively) unaffected because OS only operated VIE-BKK, and LX only does ZRH-BKK, and LH usually runs in parallel to SQ/TG to places like SIN, BKK, KUL. That leaves CA, OZ, SQ, TG, TK and MS all providing inventory to Asia and beyond.
For intra-European, you're pretty much stuffed. You've got SK and TP, and TK at a stretch.
What LH's little trantrum has done is make it nigh-on impossible to do Central Europe (because routings like LHR-CPH-ZRH are ridiculously long, and LHR-LIS-ZRH will get knocked out on MPM rules), and routings that connect like LHR-FRA (SQ)SIN/(TG)BKK.
It also dramatically reduces TATL inventory (to US, UA and AC), and African inventory (to BD and SA).
Only Asia is (relatively) unaffected because OS only operated VIE-BKK, and LX only does ZRH-BKK, and LH usually runs in parallel to SQ/TG to places like SIN, BKK, KUL. That leaves CA, OZ, SQ, TG, TK and MS all providing inventory to Asia and beyond.
Apr 19, 2012, 12:26 am
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Does BD allow open-jaws on o/w or r/t redemptions?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Is there a way to search for awards excluding LH-owned airlines?
Last edited by 1k650; Apr 19, 2012 at 12:32 am
Apr 19, 2012, 12:45 am
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How can a o/w be an open jaw?
Use this tool. while it won't allow you to exclude certain airlines, it will allow you to filter the results which may help a little (by filtering connecting points).
http://beta.awardtravelr.com/
Use this tool. while it won't allow you to exclude certain airlines, it will allow you to filter the results which may help a little (by filtering connecting points).
http://beta.awardtravelr.com/
Apr 19, 2012, 2:49 am
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MAD - BKK - KMG + LJG - CTU with open-jaw between Kunming and Lijiang.
Apr 19, 2012, 7:21 am
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In any case it might give you more flexibility (an extra stopover, potentially the ability to change the return after you commenced the outgoing leg) if you book an open jaw as 2 standalone bookings anyway.
Yes please! does anyone's award search engine have a way of excluding all LH-owned airlines? currently I just deselect all airlines, then re-select all those I know are not LH group.
Apr 19, 2012, 7:48 am
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QR award availibility can now be searched on the UA website.
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfr...nited-website/
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfr...nited-website/
Apr 19, 2012, 12:48 pm
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KF is pretty much Finland domestic + Finland<->Scandinavia routes.
Apr 19, 2012, 12:52 pm
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Wondering if now, that LH is gone, there are additional options that were not available before. For example: MAA served by LH and TG -- is now let's say LHR-BKK-MAA on TG a valid routing since nothing shorter is available on *A (similar to the KTM thing)?
Apr 19, 2012, 1:11 pm
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Out of interest, what are QR redemption rates? I flew with them to DXB and was very impressed.
Now.. do you think we can get BA in Club World for 37.5k + 210 + taxes??
Now.. do you think we can get BA in Club World for 37.5k + 210 + taxes??