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Originally Posted by bertheike
(Post 18492411)
Ok, I see. So only 200% on TG with M&M.
Do you know a progr. which gives status bonus on TG ? Or any sugestion, which is the best progr. for people flying mostly in J/A TG, and little in Z/P LX/LH ? |
Originally Posted by AX9465
(Post 18460425)
Upon reviewing FFP info and my travel plans for next 12 months I decided to go to A3. Reasons for:
- 200% earn rate on C class fares, including dreaded Z AX |
Originally Posted by rangerss75
(Post 18498201)
There's a 200% earn rate at the moment, attractive for someone (like me) who flies Z Class a lot on LH group flights. But this rate is being reduced soon for Miles and More members. My past experience is that these changes soon get passed on to other *Alliance programmes, to stop, in this case, a Miles and More member earning more by crediting his LH group flight to another FF programme. So, expect the earn-rate on LH group Z flights to come down very soon in Miles and Bonus as well.
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Originally Posted by rangerss75
(Post 18498201)
There's a 200% earn rate at the moment, attractive for someone (like me) who flies Z Class a lot on LH group flights. But this rate is being reduced soon for Miles and More members. My past experience is that these changes soon get passed on to other *Alliance programmes, to stop, in this case, a Miles and More member earning more by crediting his LH group flight to another FF programme. So, expect the earn-rate on LH group Z flights to come down very soon in Miles and Bonus as well.
Of course you could be right, if LH becomes more stingy it could be replicated by other programs, but each program's balance is slightly different. |
I still don't get how so many people like A3 when a simple date change on award ticket means you have to cancel and rebook and lose 50% of the miles each time?
Do you rarely change dates? |
Originally Posted by bagold
(Post 18503088)
I still don't get how so many people like A3 when a simple date change on award ticket means you have to cancel and rebook and lose 50% of the miles each time?
Do you rarely change dates? If you want to lessen the inconvience, which can be huge if you're doing "tentative booking", I'd advise to book all your trips as two one-ways. If you want to leave one day later or before, you'll lose only on this leg of the trip. |
Originally Posted by rangerss75
(Post 18498201)
There's a 200% earn rate at the moment, attractive for someone (like me) who flies Z Class a lot on LH group flights. But this rate is being reduced soon for Miles and More members. My past experience is that these changes soon get passed on to other *Alliance programmes, to stop, in this case, a Miles and More member earning more by crediting his LH group flight to another FF programme. So, expect the earn-rate on LH group Z flights to come down very soon in Miles and Bonus as well.
if you ask me, I would do the same way as A3 - give more points to C and F in exchange of giving less to discounted Y. that will help keeping their non-flying membership containing of people they receive highest compensation for when they receive credits from other *A airlines. AX |
Originally Posted by AX9465
(Post 18505268)
it is not automatic and decision is made by each program on a combination of many factors as well as bilateral relations between different airlines, otherwise earning rates throughout the alliances will be harmonized long ago.
if you ask me, I would do the same way as A3 - give more points to C and F in exchange of giving less to discounted Y. that will help keeping their non-flying membership containing of people they receive highest compensation for when they receive credits from other *A airlines. AX |
Originally Posted by bagold
(Post 18503088)
I still don't get how so many people like A3 when a simple date change on award ticket means you have to cancel and rebook and lose 50% of the miles each time?
Do you rarely change dates? |
ok,
i think M&M , and A3 are the best FFP's for accural. US and TK have better spending rates. I already have US accounts ( never credited any flight, only use them for to buy miles when them run promos ). I will ask for a status match with A3 and TK and credit my *aliance flights, where I get the best deal. May be also open a M&M account and credit some flights there, if using the lounge benefits on TG Y domestic flights with a matched A3/TK card. Should pic benefits from all FFP's. |
Originally Posted by bagold
(Post 18503088)
I still don't get how so many people like A3 when a simple date change on award ticket means you have to cancel and rebook and lose 50% of the miles each time?
Do you rarely change dates? I do have some award tickets which are more speculative and which I do cancel more readily (not so much using DC but using BAEC since cancellations are costless as a gold). These are often short-haul "insurance" bookings which I often cancel when my plans are clearer and I can find a revenue ticket alternative at a price which is still acceptable. Clearly, I would not use an FFP like A3 for those kind of bookings. For my ordinary award bookings, OTOH, why not? |
My circumstances are based on flying around 40-50K miles a year on *A, mostly Y/Y+ longhaul with some European flights, some paid J flights. I am also fly a similar amount again on OW and/or non-aligned carriers e.g. VA/EY.
I have been looking at A3, OZ, SK and US but have widened the comparison to include Egyptair (MS) and TAP (TP), ANA (NH) and for good measure LH. I have excluded some airlines which require minimum sectors on their own metal or with a higher *G re-qualification level. I may have made some errors - not all the airline websites are that easy to follow - so if anyone knows that any of these programmes do thing differently, please post corrections, or PM me and I can amend. There isn't an easy answer as to which programme is best - on my flying patters, I am thinking it may be best to have two *A programmes: A3 for one-way awards and relatively long-life *G status, and another for UK credit card earn and flexibility in changing award tickets - I am not sure which, but am tending towards LH, SK or US because of flexibility. It is a shame that VS and/or VA virgin group of airlines have not joined *A as one of these would probably be my *A airline of choice if they did. And if SK or US or TK introduced lifetime *G or *A one-way awards, or both, then this might be a deciding factor for me. A3 - Aegean Airlines Miles&Bonus + G threshold 19K (20K with 1K join bonus) from scratch and apparent almost-lifetime *G (so long as you credit flown miles every year) + miles do not expire so long as you credit every year (otherwise 3 year validity) + ok earn rates, 200% on C class, 100% on most SQ Y fares which I do a lot longhaul + ok burn rates + one-way awards possible + children can join from age 12 ~ long-term airline viability ok, programme may change - no changes possible on award bookings - 50% miles loss on cancelled award bookings - minimum mile credit only on certain carriers/fares - low credit on discount Y european fares - *A upgrade awards not possible (may be coming soon) - no family membership miles combination scheme - no bonus miles for Silver/Gold LH - Lufthansa Miles&More + Sen/*G threshold 100K within a calendar year from scratch and 100K within a calendar year to renew + Sen/*G statue valid for 2 years + mileage does not expire if you use a LH branded credit card or have status otherwise it expires after 3 years + good earn rates in premium cabins + OK burn rates + cancellation and rebooking of award tickets available for a EUR 50 fee + bonus status and destinations miles 25% for Sen/G and FTL/S members + children can join from age 2 (children join Jet Friends and their miles do not expire) + *A upgrade awards possible + companion awards for Sen at 50% of award miles + flight saver awards with reduced miles for late bookings within LH group + RTW Ticket at 180K miles in Y, 325 in J, 480 in F + UK credit card (Amex and Visa from MBNA) available - one-way awards possible only within LH group - relatively high Sen/*G threshold - low earn on low economy fares (e.g. Singapore K,W at 50%) MS - Egyptair Plus + low G threshold 60K from scratch and 30K (within 2 years) to renew + lifetime *G (Platinum) at 1M flown miles + one-way awards at 50% mileage + good burn rates (160K for UK-Australia in J, 240 in F) + children can join from age 2 + low (5% miles) cancellation fee on cancelled reward/upgrade tickets + low (50 USD) fee to change upgrade reward/upgrade tickets + *A upgrade awards possible + RTW Ticket at 180K miles in Y, 280K in J, 400 in F + gold members can transfer miles 5-50K miles to another member FOC ~ family membership miles combination scheme (all miles credit to the main member; family members stay as blue status - so not so good if your family would otherwise get status too) ~ 40% G bonus miles on MS flights ~ award tickets can be redeemed for any family member - there seems to be a requirement to attend an MS ticket office for an award ticket to be confirmed - not brilliant earn rates (typical F 200%, J 150%, and a lot of higher discount Y fares that earn 100% on other carriers e.g. SQ W,U,L,K class, which earn 100% on A3, earns only 75% on MS) - miles expire after 3 years (unlimited validity once you reach Platinum level) - no current option for miles earn with UK credit card - long-term viability of airline/programme unsure (lifetime Platinum requirement may change) NH - ANA Mileage Club + *G threshold 80K from scratch and 50K every fixed calendar Jan-Dec year to renew + ANA's excellent online booking too (including *A partners) + ok burn rates + children of any age can join + transfer + *A upgrade awards possible + RTW tickets available + UK credit card point earning points transfer from SPG Amex ~ bonus points for status are on on full fare and premium cabin booking ony ~ mileage validity 3 years (though unlimited for G/Diamond) - poor earn rates - no family membership miles combination scheme - no one-way award bookings except own metal flights - no changes to award bookings except own metal flights OZ - Asiana Airlines Club + *G/Diamond threshold 40K from scratch and 40K every 2 years to renew + *G/Diamond 2-year card validity + 12 year mileage validity for Diamond/Diamond Plus (10 year for Gold/*S and 5 year for standard membership) + lifetime *G (Diamond Plus) at 500K flown miles + UK credit card earning possible with SPG Amex + OK burn rates for longhaul - calculated on overall distance, UK-Australia return is 120 in Y and 180 in J + award tickets on OZ flights can be refunded for a $30/3000 mile fee (free for domestic) + children can join from age 2 (Magic Miles) or 11 (Asiana club) + *A upgrade awards possible + Diamond/Diamond Plus can transfer awards to other members - negates need for family membership miles transfer + 10% millage bonus for Diamond and 15% for Diamond Plus (think this is on all flights) + infant redemptions available at 10% of adult rate + long-term airline viability good ~ refunds of mileage may be on cancelled bookings if no portion of the award tickets have been issued (website unclear) - there seems to be a requirement to attend an OZ ticket office for an award ticket to be confirmed - poor earn rates (typically +50% in F, +25% in J, 0% in a lot of discount Y) - one-way awards not possible except for Asiana flights - no changes possible on award bookings SK - SAS EuroBonus + *G threshold 70K from scratch and 50K every membership year to renew (UK) + UK credit card earning possible with Amex UK Membership Rewards + no award booking fee for Silver/Gold + *A upgrade awards possible + children can join sat any age + award tickets can be refunded or rebooked at no fee + long-term airline viability good + 100% earn in Y on SAS ~ 5 year mileage validity - not as good as indefinite but better than 3 years ~ 25% points bonus (Gold) and 15% (Silver) members when flying with SAS group ~ OK burn rates - low earn rates (on SQ, F/J earn 200%, full Y 100% but mid Y W,U,K,L earns 25%) - no lifetime *G at present, though it has been rumoured - one way awards only on SAS group flights TK - Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles + *G/Elite threshold 25K (outside Turkey) from scratch, requalification 25K in first year or 75.5K in 2 years, *G/Elite 2-year card validity + option to purchase up to 10K membership and/or status miles + Good burn rates for longhaul - UK-Australia return is 100 in Y, 150 in J, 220 in F + *A upgrade awards possible + awards can be booked for third parties + children can join at any age + long-term airline viability ok ~ OK but not brilliant earn rates (typically +50% in F, +25% in J, but discount Y tends to be 25%-70%, few instances of 0%) - there seems to be a requirement to attend an TK ticket office for an award ticket to be confirmeds - one-way awards not possible except for TK flights - no changes possible on award bookings except for TK flights - no UK miles-earning credit card earning - miles expire after 3 year - no family membership miles combination scheme - award tickets cannot be issued for infants TP - TAP Victoria + *G threshold 100K from scratch and 70K every membership year to renew + one way awards possible at 50% miles + nomination of partner for *G level + discounted companion redemption (60% miles) for Gold members + schedule changes on same route possible on *A awards + good earn rates (many F is 300%, international J 200%, full Y 100%, MOST discount Y 50%) + children can earn from age 2 + some status miles can be purchased if needed to top up status level + *A upgrade awards coming soon ~ RTW awards possible but not cheap (250K miles Y or 350K J) ~ 50% miles bonus for G on TAP flights ~ long-term airline viability relatively OK - poor burn rates (about 1.5 times other airlines in Y, though not as poor in J) - no current option for miles earn with UK credit card - miles expire after 3 years (unless extended for a further 3 years for a fee) - no lifetime *G - no changes other than date and flight number possible on award bookings - no refunds possible on cancelled award bookings US - US Airways Dividend Miles + *G/Diamond threshold 75K from scratch and 50K every calendar year to renew + miles do not expire if account kept active within 18 month period (otherwise 3 year expiry) + good earn rates + good burn rates + UK credit card earning possible with SPG Amex + full refund of miles on cancelled award tickets (with USD 150 redeposit fee) + children can join + RTW awards possible + *A upgrade awards possible + 500 min mile per segment earned by Preferred members + award booking fees waived for Gold preferred members + complimentary US domestic upgrades for Preferred members ~ long-term airline viability OK (though may buy or be bought by another carrier over time, e.g. rumours of Delta buying US or US buying AA, which could affect Star alliance membership) ~ 50* (Gold) and 25% (Silver) bonus miles for Preferred members only on US air and certain partners - almost-lifetime *S (Silver Preferred) at 1M miles (account most be kept active every 3 years), but no lifetime *G (though rumoured as being possible) - no one-way awards - USD 150 change fee for award tickets - *G (Gold Preferred) does not include lounge access on US domestic itineraries (maybe not such a problem if you hold Amex Platinum ChargeCard which gives this on AA, Delta and US) Conclusions A3 wins if *G is more important than changes to award bookings or if one-way *A awards are important - it is a shame award bookings are not changeable and there is not a UK miles-earning credit card. OZ is good for low lifetime *G but not so good on some other aspects. SK is good as a European-based programme with reaosonably low *G qualification and changes to award bookings permitted. US is a good programme but for me is less attractive than SK. TK has a lower *G threshold and 2-year gold card validity but is less good on flexibility of changes to award booking and earn and burn rates. One-way *A awards and/or lifetime *G would make SK, US or TK much better. LH offers benefits of no miles expiry (if you use a LH credit card) and better award availability, but the threshold to maintain *G is higher. TP does not look so good due to combination of poor burn rates, no UK miles-earning card and no lifetime *G. MS is a bit of an unknown but the combination of low *G renewal and a 1MM lifetime *G looks appealing - if would be good the earning rates were a little better and there was a UK credit card option. These conclusions may not suit all flying patterns. For example, LH is generally accepted as being better if you have a lot of paid flights in premium cabins. |
Avianca-Taca LifeMiles
As Avianca/Taca is joining Star this month, you all might want to look at them. They do fly to Europe and offer unlimited upgrades throughout the Americas, plus '4' oneway upgrades to Europe for their Diamond tier, which is only 75k miles.
http://www.lifemiles.com/eng/abo/wnb/wnbelitab.aspx The Lifemiles program has many of the same benefits as BMI including a cash/miles option and the ability to redeam high priced awards with cash/miles and earn miles for the award miles flown. What other program allows you to earn miles (as well as class of service bonus) on an award ticket? Also right now you can buy LifeMiles on a 2x1 basis. http://www.lifemiles.com/eng/tra/pro...f.aspx?D=DOF24 Plus, IB, UA & LH Pre-Star (LH 200% earnings on F/J) are an earning/redemtion partners as well. There is a LifeMiles Credit Card with at 20K bonus, as well as a debit card and secured card option, with bonus miles. http://www.usbank.com/cgi_w/cfm/cred...tancia_sig.cfm LifeMiles has hotel partners that include: Hilton, Marriott, Best Western, Intercontinental & many others. Rental Cars: Hertz, Sixt, Global & Others. Other partners including Dining, as well as other areas. |
Originally Posted by gkbiiii
(Post 18522466)
The Lifemiles program has many of the same benefits as BMI including a cash/miles option and the ability to redeam high priced awards with cash/miles and earn miles for the award miles flown. What other program allows you to earn miles (as well as class of service bonus) on an award ticket?
Seems to me there might be a lot of changes coming as part of *A integration. I'm not convinced for a start that Gold will map to *A Gold. Can only see the upgrade rates without registering but the redemption rates based on upgrade rewards look to be horrific. The cost of a two way redemption upgrade from economy to business from the Americas to Europe is 50% more than the cost of an entire ticket from scratch on bmi. Even if these rewards turn out to be available on *A, they won't be great value. |
LifeMiles Chart
Originally Posted by lhr baby
(Post 18524185)
Can you clarify where it says you can earn miles on an award ticket?
Seems to me there might be a lot of changes coming as part of *A integration. I'm not convinced for a start that Gold will map to *A Gold. Can only see the upgrade rates without registering but the redemption rates based on upgrade rewards look to be horrific. The cost of a two way redemption upgrade from economy to business from the Americas to Europe is 50% more than the cost of an entire ticket from scratch on bmi. Even if these rewards turn out to be available on *A, they won't be great value. We've put a lot of thought, and invested a lot of money into designing an Elite Program that rewards your loyalty with your most valued benefits. Take a look below to see the privileges you qualify for when becoming a LifeMiles Elite member and flying with operated flights by Avianca and/ or TACA. To compare LifeMiles’ Elite Program to other programs, go to our Program Comparison Tool Silver Gold Diamond Status Qualification Requirements Miles flown in a year, between January 1st and December 31st Silver 22,000 Gold 40,000 Diamond 75,000 Segments flown in a year, between January 1st and December 31st Silver 25 Gold 45 Diamond 85 Mileage Earnings Bonus Miles Silver 25% Gold 100% Diamond 100% Upgrade Benefits Complimentary, automatic, space available upgrades on international flights (all fares, excluding routes to and from Europe) Silver Unlimited, 48 hours before flight Gold Unlimited, 72 hours before flight Diamond Unlimited, 120 hours before flight Complimentary, automatic, space available upgrades on domestic flights (excluding Promo fares) Silver Unlimited, 48 hours before flight Gold Unlimited, 72 hours before flight Diamond Unlimited, 120 hours before flight Complimentary, automatic, space available companion upgrades when traveling in the same reservation (excluding Promo fare in domestic routes and routes to and from Europe) Silver Unlimited, 48 hours before flight Gold Unlimited, 72 hours before flight Diamond Unlimited, 120 hours before flight Space available, system-wide upgrades on all routes (excluding Promo fare in domestic routes) Diamond 4 coupons per year VIP Lounges Access Complimentary access to Avianca and TACA VIP Lounges (click here for availabe lounges) Silver Member Only--No Guests Gold Yes and 1 Guest Diamond Yes and 1 Guest Complimentary access to other VIP Lounges (click here for availabe lounges) Gold Member Member Only Diamond Member & One Guest Complimentary access to other VIP Lounges (click here for availabe lounges) for 1 companion traveling in the same booking Diamond member & one guest on same booking Other Benefits Priority check-in Priority boarding Priority baggage handling Baggage allowance (2 bags of 70 lbs. each) Advanced notice for LifeMiles promotions Access to Elite telephone assistance desk LifeMiles redemption fee waiver* Diamond |
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