777 on ORD route
Jul 7, 2011, 5:56 pm
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Jul 7, 2011, 8:16 pm
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for some reason the flight depart from LAX is more expensive!
thanks
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Jul 8, 2011, 9:19 am
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i think it's about time that asiana start replacing those old Y seats on their 777, and put in new seats with larger PTV's like the ones in their 747.
also, does anyone know if their upcoming 777's that they'll receive in the future will have large PTV's in economy?
also, does anyone know if their upcoming 777's that they'll receive in the future will have large PTV's in economy?
Jul 8, 2011, 10:37 am
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i think it's about time that asiana start replacing those old Y seats on their 777, and put in new seats with larger PTV's like the ones in their 747.
also, does anyone know if their upcoming 777's that they'll receive in the future will have large PTV's in economy?
also, does anyone know if their upcoming 777's that they'll receive in the future will have large PTV's in economy?
Jul 9, 2011, 4:49 pm
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Thru the history of ORD-ICN, it goes from 74M to 3 class 777, to 2 class 777. LAX and JFK both maintain 3 class service, so you know how good especially the premium load for ORD is, not to mention when ORD-ICN was running with 3 class, it is like the easiest route to find F awards.
Even KE use old equipment to ORD, which has 2+2 in F, F use as C, upperdeck C use for Y. When the competitor using old equipment, there is no point for OZ to use the 777 with QS and AVOD.
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Jul 12, 2011, 5:53 am
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Well the reason is LAX-ICN is more popular than ORD-ICN, if not ORD-ICN wouldn't be only 4 times a week, whereas LAX-ICN is 14 times a week.
Did you see how slow OZ replacing C seat with QS ? It is like 1 per 3 months maybe ? They are 100+ times slower than UA ! Not to mention UA replace all seats in F, C, and Y on their 777, OZ is only doing for C !
Even KE use old equipment to ORD, which has 2+2 in F, F use as C, upperdeck C use for Y. When the competitor using old equipment, there is no point for OZ to use the 777 with QS and AVOD.
Did you see how slow OZ replacing C seat with QS ? It is like 1 per 3 months maybe ? They are 100+ times slower than UA ! Not to mention UA replace all seats in F, C, and Y on their 777, OZ is only doing for C !
Even KE use old equipment to ORD, which has 2+2 in F, F use as C, upperdeck C use for Y. When the competitor using old equipment, there is no point for OZ to use the 777 with QS and AVOD.
I've also don KE ICN-ORD and while it didn't have the newest seats, it still had the second newest seats (1-2-1 in F/772) and not the oldest seats in service (the 744 with 2-2 in F)
Jul 12, 2011, 11:13 pm
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OZ also has a much smaller reserve fleet than UA and has much higher utility than UA, subsequently they can only have 1 772 out of service at 1 time. UA on the other hand has 763's, 772's, and 744's sitting for long hours at a time.
I've also don KE ICN-ORD and while it didn't have the newest seats, it still had the second newest seats (1-2-1 in F/772) and not the oldest seats in service (the 744 with 2-2 in F)
I've also don KE ICN-ORD and while it didn't have the newest seats, it still had the second newest seats (1-2-1 in F/772) and not the oldest seats in service (the 744 with 2-2 in F)
Maybe their management are too ambitious serving too many destinations in the first place. If they have a new product, they should try to implement at a reasonable rate (whatever cutting frequency on one route so that they can free up one plane at a time for putting in new seats) And I am sure putting the QS into the plane would take much less time than UA reconfig their 777, as UA's 777 need to rewire the entire plane to have AVOD throughout, whereas OZ doesn't even need to do that, and they are not replacing the Y seats either. Most large carriers often have planes sitting idle at a time for back up, that is not limited to UA. And if OZ didn't convert so many 74M into 74F a few years ago, things would move faster like it supposed to be too.
Actually even the KE website listed ORD-ICN-ORD is using the oldest seat. Moreover, I actually worked for those fights and the one you are talking about only goes to ORD once in a blue moon. (KE has office in ORD, but the majority of ground staff are third party, the same company also handle LO in ORD)
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Jul 13, 2011, 1:35 am
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Somehow I don't believe OZ even intends to put the QS seats into every existing widebody. They will have two different products for a very long time IMHO. Just like most other airlines on the planet.
Oh, and I really hope they are getting rid of this ridiculous surcharges for RTWs.
Oh, and I really hope they are getting rid of this ridiculous surcharges for RTWs.
Jul 14, 2011, 12:44 am
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The existing 2 class 777 that are non-AVOD would take the most time and money to reconfig.
Jul 15, 2011, 8:30 pm
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Maybe their management are too ambitious serving too many destinations in the first place. If they have a new product, they should try to implement at a reasonable rate (whatever cutting frequency on one route so that they can free up one plane at a time for putting in new seats) And I am sure putting the QS into the plane would take much less time than UA reconfig their 777, as UA's 777 need to rewire the entire plane to have AVOD throughout, whereas OZ doesn't even need to do that, and they are not replacing the Y seats either. Most large carriers often have planes sitting idle at a time for back up, that is not limited to UA. And if OZ didn't convert so many 74M into 74F a few years ago, things would move faster like it supposed to be too.
Actually even the KE website listed ORD-ICN-ORD is using the oldest seat. Moreover, I actually worked for those fights and the one you are talking about only goes to ORD once in a blue moon. (KE has office in ORD, but the majority of ground staff are third party, the same company also handle LO in ORD)
Actually even the KE website listed ORD-ICN-ORD is using the oldest seat. Moreover, I actually worked for those fights and the one you are talking about only goes to ORD once in a blue moon. (KE has office in ORD, but the majority of ground staff are third party, the same company also handle LO in ORD)
As far as KE is concerned, I think it's a recent change back; I checked right before my original post and it still depicted the 1-2-1 F seats (second newest product), but I see it's back to the old seats.
Jul 17, 2011, 11:20 pm
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It is NOT a recent change back, as I said I actually "worked" on those flights, and kept the daily load/config sheets with me.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:18 pm
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