Jan 17, 2015, 11:52 am
Last edit by: mia
Q. Where can I find a list of the airline and hotel transfer partners?
Partner airline and hotel programs, transfer ratios, and rules vary by the country where your American Express card is issued:
Australia: Airlines & Hotels
Canada: Airlines & Hotels
Germany: Airlines & Hotels
International Dollar & Euro Cards: Airlines, Hotels
New Zealand: Airlines & Hotels
UK: Airlines, Hotels
USA: Airlines & Hotels Transfer ratios explained below.
Q. What are the transfer ratios to USA airline and hotel partners?
(The Canadian transfer ratios are listed directly on the Canadian site.)
Q: After I transfer, when will my miles expire at that airline/hotel program? Is there anything I can do to avoid expiration there?
The Miles/Points that Do and Don't Expire wiki lists all of the Amex USA airline/hotel transfer partners and their respective expiration policies.
Q. How long does it typically take to compete a transfer?
MR USA airline and hotel partner transfer times.
Q. How can I use Membership Rewards points to travel on American Airlines, United Airlines, Alaska Airlines or other carriers which are not transfer partners?
Membership Rewards (USA) points can be transferred to three or more frequent flyer programs in each of the international alliances. Any program can arrange award travel on flights operated by all members of the same alliance. Points cannot be transferred from one frequent flyer program to another, instead you redeem for a partner award. The number of miles required is determined by the program through which you redeem, not by the airline operating the flights. Programs in the same alliance will require different amounts of miles, and different co-payments, for the same flights. Do not transfer until you understand the full cost of the flights you need. Do not transfer until you have confirmed availability for your specific dates and route.
To travel on American Airlines or any other OneWorld carrier redeem through:
American also has partnership outside OneWorld with:
To travel on Delta Air Lines or any other SkyTeam carrier redeem through:
To travel on United Airlines or any other Star Alliance carrier redeem through:
To travel on Alaska Airlines redeem through:
Q. Rather than transferring now, can I preserve my Membership Rewards USA points balance without paying any annual fee?
Apply for an American Express Everyday card, and link it to the same Membership Rewards account. You may then close the other cards.
Partner airline and hotel programs, transfer ratios, and rules vary by the country where your American Express card is issued:
Australia: Airlines & Hotels
Canada: Airlines & Hotels
Germany: Airlines & Hotels
International Dollar & Euro Cards: Airlines, Hotels
New Zealand: Airlines & Hotels
UK: Airlines, Hotels
USA: Airlines & Hotels Transfer ratios explained below.
Q. What are the transfer ratios to USA airline and hotel partners?
For most frequent customer programs, 1,000 Membership Rewards points will equal 1,000 miles, points or credits and must be transferred in 1,000-point increments unless otherwise noted.
In the USA version of Membership Rewards the exceptions are:
El AL Israel Airlines: 1,000 points = 20 Matmid points
Hilton®: 1,000 points = 2,000 Honors points (as of 1/11/2018)
JetBlue Airways: 250 points = 200 JetBlue TrueBlue® points
In the USA version of Membership Rewards the exceptions are:
El AL Israel Airlines: 1,000 points = 20 Matmid points
Hilton®: 1,000 points = 2,000 Honors points (as of 1/11/2018)
JetBlue Airways: 250 points = 200 JetBlue TrueBlue® points
Q: After I transfer, when will my miles expire at that airline/hotel program? Is there anything I can do to avoid expiration there?
The Miles/Points that Do and Don't Expire wiki lists all of the Amex USA airline/hotel transfer partners and their respective expiration policies.
Q. How long does it typically take to compete a transfer?
MR USA airline and hotel partner transfer times.
Q. How can I use Membership Rewards points to travel on American Airlines, United Airlines, Alaska Airlines or other carriers which are not transfer partners?
Membership Rewards (USA) points can be transferred to three or more frequent flyer programs in each of the international alliances. Any program can arrange award travel on flights operated by all members of the same alliance. Points cannot be transferred from one frequent flyer program to another, instead you redeem for a partner award. The number of miles required is determined by the program through which you redeem, not by the airline operating the flights. Programs in the same alliance will require different amounts of miles, and different co-payments, for the same flights. Do not transfer until you understand the full cost of the flights you need. Do not transfer until you have confirmed availability for your specific dates and route.
To travel on American Airlines or any other OneWorld carrier redeem through:
- Asia Miles (Cathay Pacific)
- British Airways
- Iberia Airlines
- Qantas Airways
American also has partnership outside OneWorld with:
- Etihad
To travel on Delta Air Lines or any other SkyTeam carrier redeem through:
- Delta Air Lines (DL permits one-way awards as of 01 JAN 2015, however trips originating in Europe carry additional surcharges; Delta also imposes surcharges on trips using some partner airlines such as China Eastern or China Southern, but notably not on trips involving its European partners (as long as the trip originates outside Europe) or Virgin Australia.)
- AeroMexico
- Alitalia
- FlyingBlue (Air France, KLM, Air Europa, Kenya Airways, Aircalin and Tarom.)
To travel on United Airlines or any other Star Alliance carrier redeem through:
- Aeroplan (Air Canada) No fuel surcharge on flights operated by UA and many other airlines. Read current list HERE. See also transatlantic strategy discussion HERE. Read about changes to redemption charts in December 2015 HERE.
- All Nippon Airways. Read about ANA fuel surcharges HERE. Read about changes to partner redemption charts in April 2015 HERE.
- Avianca Airlines
- Singapore Airlines. Read HERE
Read about Singapore Airlines' reciprocal mile conversion arrangement with Virgin Australia HERE.
To travel on Alaska Airlines redeem through:
- BA British Airways
- CX Asia Miles https://www.asiamiles.com/en/earn-mi...irlines#redeem
- EK Emirates https://www.emirates.com/us/english/...-airlines.aspx
- SQ Singapore Airlines https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/p...s_AwdChart.pdf
Q. Rather than transferring now, can I preserve my Membership Rewards USA points balance without paying any annual fee?
Apply for an American Express Everyday card, and link it to the same Membership Rewards account. You may then close the other cards.
Transfer Membership Rewards points to which airline or hotel program? (2015 - 2021)
Mar 23, 2021, 4:15 pm
#931
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: SFO
Programs: AMEX Pt.
Posts: 2
PTS not helpful?
I called American Express Platinum at (800) 525-3355 for help figuring out how to use my AMEX points by transferring them to an airline program that would make sense for a long journey. They refused to help me, saying they could only help me find (and book) using the pay with points method.
Am I asking for too much? or did I have bad luck or did I call the wrong number? Because I am overwhelmed. My destination is set. My dates and route are flexible so I’m thinking I should be able to get a better deal than payWithPoints.
Today I realized maybe I didn’t call PTS, since I didn’t dial 1-800-443-7672.
(I tried to help myself first by following the advice to check out, eg the KrisFlyer program, so I joined it but couldn’t find anything sensible, despite the recommendation. )
I’m confused. I thought I should be able to, if I’m shopping around, get something like two cents per point value on air travel but I can’t even find 1cent/point. Am I not finding good value because I’m looking for coach tickets?
I’m not supposed to mention the city pairs we are looking to travel between if I post in this particular sub-forum, right? so I’m not.
The cash price for the tickets are about 850 per person.
Oh and I’m sorry if I’m posting wrong/in the wrong place. I’m trying to learn my way around. First post. If there’s a platinum card program benefits sub, I can’t find it.
Am I asking for too much? or did I have bad luck or did I call the wrong number? Because I am overwhelmed. My destination is set. My dates and route are flexible so I’m thinking I should be able to get a better deal than payWithPoints.
Today I realized maybe I didn’t call PTS, since I didn’t dial 1-800-443-7672.
(I tried to help myself first by following the advice to check out, eg the KrisFlyer program, so I joined it but couldn’t find anything sensible, despite the recommendation. )
I’m confused. I thought I should be able to, if I’m shopping around, get something like two cents per point value on air travel but I can’t even find 1cent/point. Am I not finding good value because I’m looking for coach tickets?
I’m not supposed to mention the city pairs we are looking to travel between if I post in this particular sub-forum, right? so I’m not.
The cash price for the tickets are about 850 per person.
Oh and I’m sorry if I’m posting wrong/in the wrong place. I’m trying to learn my way around. First post. If there’s a platinum card program benefits sub, I can’t find it.
Last edited by elvey; Mar 23, 2021 at 4:26 pm
Mar 23, 2021, 5:27 pm
#932
Formerly known as stellertony
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: MEX
Programs: UA Gold, DL Gold, NEXUS, APEC
Posts: 1,146
What you’re looking for is indeed outside the scope of the services Amex offers. It sounds like you might benefit from an award booking service.
Mar 23, 2021, 6:06 pm
#933
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: LAS ORD
Programs: AA Pro (mostly B6) OZ♦ (flying BR/UA), BA Silver Hyatt LT, Wynn Black, Cosmo Plat, Mlife Noir
Posts: 5,992
Welcome to FT! As mentioned, this is not a PTS issue; I've requested mods change the thread title appropriately.
$850, long journey coach tickets are not likely to be good cpp redemptions.
$850, long journey coach tickets are not likely to be good cpp redemptions.
Mar 23, 2021, 7:06 pm
#934
Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Miami, Mpls & London
Programs: AA & Marriott Perpetual Platinum; DL & HH Gold
Posts: 48,955
Moderator action
Welcome to Flyertalk. I have moved your question into the existing sticky thread discussing how to choose a transfer partner.
This is inaccurate. Please provide as much detail as you can, and we will point you to the most likely programs.
This is inaccurate. Please provide as much detail as you can, and we will point you to the most likely programs.
Mar 24, 2021, 1:02 am
#935
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,477
You did the right thing in embarking on your own research and coming to FT. And PTS did the absolute best ethical move in not discussing value with a customer. On this subject you and the travel seller have opposite interests.
Jul 7, 2021, 1:10 pm
#936
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,579
I really need to dig deeper into some of the other programs, with my horde of MR points up to almost 500k I could probably find a nice vacation for my family of four.
Jul 27, 2021, 12:23 am
#937
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3
Good evening everyone, hope i am posting this question in the right location.... I am new to MR point redemption and i am hoping to be pointed in the right direction... i am looking to book a flight from miami to Madrid and i am trying to figure out best way to use my MR points to get besst value ticket... any input appreciated!
Jul 27, 2021, 8:46 pm
#938
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: SAN, BOS
Programs: AS MVPG100K, BAEC Gold, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Plat,
Posts: 2,281
Good evening everyone, hope i am posting this question in the right location.... I am new to MR point redemption and i am hoping to be pointed in the right direction... i am looking to book a flight from miami to Madrid and i am trying to figure out best way to use my MR points to get besst value ticket... any input appreciated!
Your best bet is to book a cheap positioning flight from MIA - JFK/BOS, preferably on AA because you’d get FL access at MIA.
BOS/JFK - MAD is 34k avios one way during off peak days, 50k on peak days.
Jul 27, 2021, 9:20 pm
#939
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 79
And if he's willing to slum it in Premium Economy it's only 31,750.
Jul 27, 2021, 9:32 pm
#940
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: SAN, BOS
Programs: AS MVPG100K, BAEC Gold, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Plat,
Posts: 2,281
Jul 27, 2021, 9:36 pm
#941
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 3
first of all thanks for the reply! so what i am gathering from ur responce is that a good option would be for me to transfer MR points to iberia and book with their air miles from MIA-MAD?
Jul 27, 2021, 9:40 pm
#942
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: SAN, BOS
Programs: AS MVPG100K, BAEC Gold, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Plat,
Posts: 2,281
Yes but it would be smart to check for availability first. If you have questions on that I would refer you to the guides in the BA or IB forums
Jul 31, 2021, 7:54 pm
#943
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL, OZ, AC, AS, AA, BA, Hilton, Hyatt, Marriott, IHG
Posts: 19,901
I have almost 400k MR and I also intend to use ANA's program. I don't think their program gets enough attention, but that's ok.
Aug 1, 2021, 7:05 am
#944
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 779
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Aug 1, 2021, 2:44 pm
#945
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 64
It's great if you need one seat. Two is tough, Three is literally impossible and not worth it. Asia miles is way easier but more expensive
