This is why IF i still lived in PHX, I would fly CO PHX EWR - EWR HNL on 777. Lets hope U*S moves East Planes (I wish A330) to Hawaii.

If U*S doesn't get their act together on these trans pac flights, they will abandon them just like the 2004 - 2005 Trans Con Flights.

Lets hope not.... But the ball is in THEIR court!

Oh man, just wait 'till these Arizona hillbillies start tampering with the transatlantic flights! Yee haw!

That sounds horrible. Were there many empty seats? I'm curious as to whether they were telling the truth about being weight restricted, or if they're overbooking to unconscionable levels. What a lousy start to a vacation.

ATA has been flying B757s PHX-HNL and PHX-OGG for years without problems (other than the Greyhound cabin).

Now there's a routing for you -- only on FT would someone consider that a good thing. :)

There were about 50 empty seats. ;)

Seriously, there were plenty of empty seats by the time we were in the air -- this was not an overbooking issue.

Doesn't ATA use 753's on most of the Hawaii routes, though? Or are they 752's?

Arizona? Hillbillies ?

CO uses the 757-200 to fly EWR-Berlin which is 3980 miles -vs- PHX-HNL- 2917 miles. CO had some problems but they may have resolved the range issues. For example, CO has winglets that improve performance. Also, the engine may make a difference. The Rolls-Royce engine generally has better performance than the PW engines on the 757. Do the US Airways 757 have better range or are they the same as the AW planes?

This is a good indicator how they will run the new US. All the airlines flying this route offer an upgraded product.

Sad part is...... The "CO" route VS U*S route would probably get you on the beach faster 80% of the Time. Due to U*S poor equipment on these routes!

I hate to say it, but the service in First and the seats on the 757 are why I was never excited about this new addition. I have always thought it was a bad idea and would prefer to just stick with HA or NW (I fly to LIH each year first going through SEA). I can't stand the seats in the 757's and actually flew to TPA the other day and drove to Orlando where I needed to be so that I wouldn't have to fly in a 757, even in first.

I am very shocked and dissapointed about the whole state of the airline right now and this is just another one of those moves that adds to my feelings.

As of recently, they've integrated some 737s into their schedule. I saw one of them parked at gate 14 a few nights ago at HNL.

Thanks for the post. I considered HP LAS-PHX-HNL-KOA on Jan 1 but went the UA route with a F upgrade certificate. Boy am I glad that I did so. I am sure that US will get it right eventually, but in the meanwhile UA 767 (UA 757 aren't as nice as their 767s) to HI is the way to go.

Spoke w/ a AWA rep on the phone and she seemed to think that it would take considerable time to get anotehr type of plane on this route due to the overwater items needed to fly this place. Said that it took 12-18 mos for AWA to get the 752's ready for the Hawaii flight? Is US Airbus not fitted for this type of overwater travel?

If not seems at least a year away. I dont know much about this so it seemed plausible to me. Anyone else have a better thought to add?


Ken in Phx