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Originally Posted by pauleeepaul
(Post 36736841)
When I travel alone for work either I dont need the AC, or if I do can expense a day pass, or internationally I get it through status. .
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So I'm still not quite clear based on the change in MM earning. If I log in to my account and it says "5 Million Miler" - does that mean I'm lifetime EXP under the new rules, regardless of how I may have earned those lifetime miles (BIS or card spend, the latter from the old days)?
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Originally Posted by elitelite
(Post 36736970)
So I'm still not quite clear based on the change in MM earning. If I log in to my account and it says "5 Million Miler" - does that mean I'm lifetime EXP under the new rules, regardless of how I may have earned those lifetime miles (BIS or card spend, the latter from the old days)?
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Originally Posted by S80
(Post 36736999)
Yes
Still tbc in my accounting mind ;) |
Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 36733210)
I just want to take this opportunity to again say how good the Loyalty Points program is. Like certainly a lot of things to complain about with AA...but the LP program is the best elite/status program in the US. No question.
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Originally Posted by mcgahat
(Post 36735640)
And it makes sense to me. Pretty sure that for a long time every mile earned including credit card, car rental etc counted towards MM on AA. I am pretty sure that UA never did that, strictly BIS miles. AA is the same now but was way easier in the past.
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Originally Posted by mcgahat
(Post 36735640)
I am pretty sure that UA never did that, strictly BIS miles. AA is the same now but was way easier in the past.
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Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 36735815)
Uh, let's see. I live near a giant AA hub. Just in the last couple of months I have bought domestic F on both UA and F9. Let that sink in, AA. Your domestic F product and your entire flying experience is such that people who live in Dallas will gladly pay for an empty middle seat on Frontier rather than fly your crapshow of an airline.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 36737071)
Best status program on the worst airline, okayyyy… 🤔
F9 enters the chat NK enters the chat WN enters the chat BA enters the chat Need I go on... AA is a perfectly middle of the road airline. It's not great...it's not terrible. But none of the "great" airlines (e.g the QRs and EKs of the world people love to go on about) are relevant to my travel needs. And LP means I'm EXP on AA....I wouldn't be the equivalent at UA or DL...so yep, AA is better. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 36737075)
IIRC, when they merged with CO, which didn’t have a MM program, they couldn’t differentiate between BIS and CC/bonus miles as they went through calculating everyone’s historical OnePass mileage to combine with MileagePlus. So the heavy CO flyers got a nice leg up, MUCH to the chagrin of the UA folks. 🤷♂️
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cont...o-details.html “ Lifetime Flight Miles include any mileage that count toward Elite status, otherwise known as “Elite Qualification Miles.” For flight miles that were earned before the introduction of Elite Qualification Miles, we have calculated the flight miles you earned. Lifetime Flight Miles are based on cumulative flight miles in the OnePass program and do not include bonus, purchased or other non-flight miles.” I was a UA flyer. To be fair to UA flyers who had only received BIS credit towards lifetime status (on UA) status, they made a one time adjustment and gave us lifetime credit for all the EQMs earned before that didn’t contribute to lifetime status. So I got lifetime credits for LH flights, for my Continental flights, for some bonus EQM from promos they had run etc. etc. This one-time adjustment moved my lifetime balance to a point where it suddenly seemed *possible* to reach MM status. Before that it was a non-goal for me, just as it is a non-goal now with AS or AA for me. I think this was handled better than when AA and US merged. AA folks had received lifetime miles for every dollar earned from credit cards, but I don’t think I got anything for my non-flying US activity. I had only flown them a few times, but had gotten the credit card with signup bonus while they were in *A. Not that it really would have mattered in my case - I will never get anywhere near MM status on AA. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 36737071)
Best status program on the worst airline, okayyyy… 🤔
Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 36737790)
:rolleyes:
F9 enters the chat NK enters the chat WN enters the chat BA enters the chat Need I go on... AA is a perfectly middle of the road airline. It's not great...it's not terrible. But none of the "great" airlines (e.g the QRs and EKs of the world people love to go on about) are relevant to my travel needs. And LP means I'm EXP on AA....I wouldn't be the equivalent at UA or DL...so yep, AA is better. You seem to think F9 is awful. Having recently done "Business Bundle" (or whatever they call it) DFW-SAN R/T, I assure you that F9 in Business Bundle is really not much worse than AA if you look at the kind of ~1000 mile or less trips when it makes sense to cross shop the two airlines. And "not much worse" may cost a lot less money. By the time I booked the flights, AA Y was considerably more expensive than F9 and there were ZERO MCE seats left to choose other than middles. Sitting in a middle seat on AA for considerably more money than an extra legroom window or aisle with guaranteed empty middle seat on F9 would have been absolutely stupid thing to do. So I didn't get a PDB on F9. Big deal. AA is so afraid of its own lazy, surly FAs that it empowers them to take out their frustrations on paying passengers and avoid doing PDBs. That latter comment kind of drives the point home - people are excited about it being easier to earn status and be elite with a company that empowers its FAs to prioritize their own desires to be lazy over customer desires for service.
Originally Posted by travelingdrsuz
(Post 36737370)
Actually that's my home airport much of the year and not a chance am I buying a seat on F9.
(And for those who think UA as the more relevant comparison to AA I will just point out that I'm 100% this year on being offered some form of a PDB in UA F and UA is working towards putting IFE in at every seat while AA spent a lot of money ripping IFE out. UA domestic F meals also seem to be on the improve) |
Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 36738117)
:D Exactly! It's almost as if some value being elite and having status over doing any analysis of what that eliteness actually means.
I don't think either ijgordon or myself think of AA as the actual worst airline in the world. Not if Air Koryo is still flying. But AA often trails even its US domestic competitors on many metrics that matter. AA is a crap airline even by the standards of its domestic competitors. You seem to think F9 is awful. Having recently done "Business Bundle" (or whatever they call it) DFW-SAN R/T, I assure you that F9 in Business Bundle is really not much worse than AA if you look at the kind of ~1000 mile or less trips when it makes sense to cross shop the two airlines. And "not much worse" may cost a lot less money. By the time I booked the flights, AA Y was considerably more expensive than F9 and there were ZERO MCE seats left to choose other than middles. Sitting in a middle seat on AA for considerably more money than an extra legroom window or aisle with guaranteed empty middle seat on F9 would have been absolutely stupid thing to do. So I didn't get a PDB on F9. Big deal. AA is so afraid of its own lazy, surly FAs that it empowers them to take out their frustrations on paying passengers and avoid doing PDBs. That latter comment kind of drives the point home - people are excited about it being easier to earn status and be elite with a company that empowers its FAs to prioritize their own desires to be lazy over customer desires for service. Too bad. But enjoy being "elite" at AA and getting roughly the same thing for a lot more money. (And for those who think UA as the more relevant comparison to AA I will just point out that I'm 100% this year on being offered some form of a PDB in UA F and UA is working towards putting IFE in at every seat while AA spent a lot of money ripping IFE out. UA domestic F meals also seem to be on the improve) |
Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 36738117)
:D Exactly! It's almost as if some value being elite and having status over doing any analysis of what that eliteness actually means.
I don't think either ijgordon or myself think of AA as the actual worst airline in the world. Not if Air Koryo is still flying. But AA often trails even its US domestic competitors on many metrics that matter. AA is a crap airline even by the standards of its domestic competitors. You seem to think F9 is awful. Having recently done "Business Bundle" (or whatever they call it) DFW-SAN R/T, I assure you that F9 in Business Bundle is really not much worse than AA if you look at the kind of ~1000 mile or less trips when it makes sense to cross shop the two airlines. And "not much worse" may cost a lot less money. By the time I booked the flights, AA Y was considerably more expensive than F9 and there were ZERO MCE seats left to choose other than middles. Sitting in a middle seat on AA for considerably more money than an extra legroom window or aisle with guaranteed empty middle seat on F9 would have been absolutely stupid thing to do. So I didn't get a PDB on F9. Big deal. AA is so afraid of its own lazy, surly FAs that it empowers them to take out their frustrations on paying passengers and avoid doing PDBs. That latter comment kind of drives the point home - people are excited about it being easier to earn status and be elite with a company that empowers its FAs to prioritize their own desires to be lazy over customer desires for service. Too bad. But enjoy being "elite" at AA and getting roughly the same thing for a lot more money. (And for those who think UA as the more relevant comparison to AA I will just point out that I'm 100% this year on being offered some form of a PDB in UA F and UA is working towards putting IFE in at every seat while AA spent a lot of money ripping IFE out. UA domestic F meals also seem to be on the improve) 2. You seem oddly fixated on PBDs....my PBD is the bottle of water I carry with me. 3. I buy coach fares and spend most of my time in F/J. 4. AA planes have IFE, just not seat back IFE. I'm perfectly happy reading my book, and not having someone poke the back of my seat constantly. On the overseas longhauls where I want to watch a movie, AA has the same set up as DL or UA. 5. The best FA is one that does the service and leaves me alone. That's most of AA's FAs. It's an airline ... it's a means to get from A to B. I don't need it to be the Ritz. And with this I'll stop the feeding session... and make my own decisions about airlines, based on my experience flying them and why I need to fly... I know exactly what I value in airline status...and why I value it...and it has very little to do with the surface things you seem to care about. |
Well, I'll say...... as one of the first AAdvantage members in March 1981, who retired with 6MM lifetime, I for one, truly appreciate this gesture on the part of AA to recognize lifelong customers like me.
Thank you, AA |
Originally Posted by paul5E
(Post 36739186)
Well, I'll say...... as one of the first AAdvantage members in March 1981, who retired with 6MM lifetime, I for one, truly appreciate this gesture on the part of AA to recognize lifelong customers like me.
Thank you, AA |
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