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ty97 Dec 12, 2024 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 36734457)
I think AA should have done something more complicated to access the MM.
Perhaps - set max. starting amount based on age - assuming you exceed these levels.
Say
Max of 2 MM to start if under 30 years old.
Max. of 2.5 MM to start if 31 to 40 years old.
Max of 3 MM to start if 41 to 50
Max of 3.5 MM to start if 51 to 60
Max of 4MM to start if 61 to 70
Max of 4.5mm to start if 71 to 80.
Max. of 5mm to start if 81+ which is LT EXP.

And likely make it graduated within those levels. - so 50K Miles added for each year from the bottom age of the group.

These would keep young people with large MS and churn from instant status.
And all those people that got lots of 100K bonus for CC which used to count too.

I expect that could run into some legal challenges on the basis of age discrimination (though I'm not a lawyer). People could have started their FF journey with AA at various ages.

There was/is no one, simple, 100% equitable way to assign the million miler thresholds due to program history. Some people came from US, some from AA. Some pre-merger AA people got a lot of LT miles under the pre-2011 program, some got a few, some got little, some got none. Unless AA is going to go back and recalculate all those balances (and I doubt they even have the retained data to do so) then AA is just going to have to draw the best line in the sand they can. I suspect that line has been drawn based on AA's metrics of current membership at each LT tier. If those metrics change over time, perhaps the thresholds will as well.

Antarius Dec 12, 2024 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by ty97 (Post 36734451)
Believe it or not, it's been 13 years. Change went into effect December 1, 2011.
https://onemileatatime.com/american-...miler-program/

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go feel old.

Timed almost perfectly to line up with finishing college and starting to travel regularly. :(

I'm close to my 1 Million, but that's about it.

bse118 Dec 12, 2024 5:51 pm


Originally Posted by FlyFreakquently (Post 36733882)
Couldn't agree more. I've been missing a lot more upgrades this year and was considering trying BA for the same MCE seats I'm already relegated to and Flagship Lounge access, but I just can't allow myself to miss out on the mileage earning. The ability to consistently score 6k Y and 16k J redemptions (on the dates I want to/need to fly) makes AA the clear winner for me.

Interesting. Miles/redemptions have precisely nothing to do with why I like the LP program. I have a nearly million miles in my account, miles just pile up unused. Redemption "value" is not currently a concern of mine.

(Aside: I don't follow your comment about MCE on BA... BA doesn't have MCE or anything equivalent, other than a few exit rows)

I like the LP program because I can easily qualify for EXP by supplementing my flying activity with a bit of related activity through hotels/other (I don't have an AA CC - that's low value place to get rewards). I maintain EXP because of the LP program, at UA or DL I'd be the next level down. It just makes more sense as a elite qualification program. So closer to this below (altough flying is like 80% of my LPs).


Originally Posted by ATOBTTR (Post 36733276)
I tend to agree. I appreciate how easy it is to build within the LP program, particularly through non-flight activity. I jumped an entire status level thanks to AA Hotels stays, two of which earned 15K Loyalty Points for 3 night stays at properties that would have netted me nothing of value otherwise. I have a couple more stays like that in 2025 as well. :)


UALOneKPlus Dec 12, 2024 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 36733210)
Wording around "more time to use SWUs" is confusing, but seems like a good change?

I just want to take this opportunity to again say how good the Loyalty Points program is. Like certainly a lot of things to complain about with AA...but the LP program is the best elite/status program in the US. No question.

I'm mixed on this thought. I earned my UA 1K previously the old fashioned way, BIS. That meant there were fewer 1K's.
Now with AA, group 1 (EXP's, CK's, military) is sometimes one of the largest group to board. It might have thinned out if it was BIS only.

BrianV Dec 12, 2024 7:29 pm


Originally Posted by ty97 (Post 36734451)
Believe it or not, it's been 13 years. Change went into effect December 1, 2011.
https://onemileatatime.com/american-...miler-program/

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go feel old.

You’re right, I think I based my date on when they went to the spend based model in 2016.

I started with AA in 2002 at 20 years old. I’m 43 now, starting solid business travel in late 2003. I’ve never really used their credit card (for spend, I do have it now for Admirals). I wish I banked more in the good ole days. I’m almost at 2.4mm, and despite averaging 300k LP almost all in air (~130k annual miles), it’ll be another 12-15 years to get to 4MM on BIS, and I intend to retire or cut back on business travel within ~10 years.

I’m old school, EXP since 2006 entirely based on flying (my cc spend and hotel is all direct to Marriott and Hilton), but it’s still a large hill to climb. If they dangled PPro at 3M, I’d strive to fly more on AA, but I’m getting closer and closer to going free agent these days.

ksucats Dec 12, 2024 7:42 pm


Originally Posted by ty97 (Post 36734451)
Believe it or not, it's been 13 years. Change went into effect December 1, 2011.
https://onemileatatime.com/american-...miler-program/

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go feel old.

Yup. Shortly after the time I switched to AA after years of being top tier on NWA. The changes once Delta took over turned me away and to AA. I wish I would have been able to predict the future back when I first started flying for work. I would easily be closing in on 4 million. As it stands, I will not be able to get to 2 million on AA since all of my work trip are relatively short. The lifetime status will never benefit me as long as current loyalty program remains in effect. If rules are the same when I retire, I will keep the credit card and earning mid tier status will never be an issue.

worldiswide Dec 12, 2024 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by ty97 (Post 36734501)
I expect that could run into some legal challenges on the basis of age discrimination (though I'm not a lawyer). People could have started their FF journey with AA at various ages.

There was/is no one, simple, 100% equitable way to assign the million miler thresholds due to program history. Some people came from US, some from AA. Some pre-merger AA people got a lot of LT miles under the pre-2011 program, some got a few, some got little, some got none. Unless AA is going to go back and recalculate all those balances (and I doubt they even have the retained data to do so) then AA is just going to have to draw the best line in the sand they can. I suspect that line has been drawn based on AA's metrics of current membership at each LT tier. If those metrics change over time, perhaps the thresholds will as well.

I thought about the age angle as well and agree that there is no simple way to do this. It probably works out even with some of the old timers with lifetime status since they wont be flying as much.. I have 89/90 year old relatives, one has 6 million miles, the other 11 million miles, but they wont be flying so the status wont mean anything. The 69 year old relative with 6 million miles is very happy to move up the ladder. Count us among the ones that still find value in the program, we have been members since the early 80, redeemed our first award for 4 persons in First Class to Australia in 1998 and just flew to round trip to Vietnam last month on award redemptions, with many flights and wonderful travel in between. I'm doing better understanding loyalty point scheme, but you just have to play the game as the rules change.

cova Dec 12, 2024 9:23 pm

There are lots of people with 40 - 50 MM - these people earned if from mileage schemes - CC bonus churn, manufactured spending, etc.
Maybe AA calibrated to minimize this group.

Having a high number of MM doesn't really mean anything - large CC spend, MS, churn, etc.

Even on UA - Tom Stoker is at say 25MM - and he is top. He flies alot from purchase of an unlimited travel pass. Now he doesn't earn any miles now - since his flights are now no-cost.

We had a contest with the head of AAdvantage to guest on top MMers, way back when they hosted a megado - and the top person 12 years ago was at 75MM. And lots of people in the 40MM range.

fenx Dec 12, 2024 11:52 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 36734609)
I'm mixed on this thought. I earned my UA 1K previously the old fashioned way, BIS. That meant there were fewer 1K's.
Now with AA, group 1 (EXP's, CK's, military) is sometimes one of the largest group to board. It might have thinned out if it was BIS only.

Yes, but with AA using Rolling 12month LP's as their main tiebreaker for EXP's complementary upgrades, giving legacy mega million milers EXP status is of minimal impact to me as an active flyer.

I do wish it were lower, as these are out of reach for me as a domestic road warrior, but it's an upgrade over what it was.

travelingdrsuz Dec 12, 2024 11:52 pm

I just came here to say that for all the hate AA gets from basically all the people I know, and even on FT sometimes, I am thrilled that they didn't follow UA and DL for once (I did expect higher thresholds). Sure AA has its issues, but overall, the miles go further with partners, I can use SWUs, and OWE status counts for something. If I were looking for perfection, I sure wouldn't be flying US carriers! I am happy with this. UA and DL have driven loyalists to be free agents, and maybe AA sees that? Not all of us are rich, but want to enjoy the perks that come with earned status. Or maybe AA just fired the right person this time. I don't even care what made them not change it up negatively. I'm just glad.

nk15 Dec 13, 2024 5:35 am


Originally Posted by kobyjones21 (Post 36734140)
Per the new SWU rules. I still haven't selected this years 175k and 250k, on 3/1/25 if I select SWU are they good until 3/31/27? Or is it for future selections earned in 2025?

I would like to know that, too. If 2027, it will be indeed a nice improvement.

JJeffrey Dec 13, 2024 5:53 am


Originally Posted by kobyjones21 (Post 36734140)
Per the new SWU rules. I still haven't selected this years 175k and 250k, on 3/1/25 if I select SWU are they good until 3/31/27? Or is it for future selections earned in 2025?


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 36735365)
I would like to know that, too. If 2027, it will be indeed a nice improvement.

AA has added some clarifying language to the SWU changes. SWUs earned for the 2024 qualifying year and selected in March 2025 will still only be good through March 31, 2026.

The good news is that all SWUs earned for the 2024 qualifying year will be extended to March 31, 2026 expiration regardless of when you make the selection. So if you have rewards available you could select SWUs today and they will expire March 31, 2026 (instead of Dec. 13, 2025).

It's only SWUs earned via rewards for the 2025 qualifying year that will expire March 31, 2027.

From aa.com:


Existing systemwide upgrades

In early 2025, we’ll extend any systemwide upgrades you earned during the 2024 status qualification year (between March 1, 2024 and February 28, 2025). Any systemwide upgrades you earn as a Loyalty Point Reward or through Million Miler™ status during that time frame will now become valid through March 31, 2026.

nk15 Dec 13, 2024 6:59 am


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 36735389)
AA has added some clarifying language to the SWU changes. SWUs earned for the 2024 qualifying year and selected in March 2025 will still only be good through March 31, 2026.

The good news is that all SWUs earned for the 2024 qualifying year will be extended to March 31, 2026 expiration regardless of when you make the selection. So if you have rewards available you could select SWUs today and they will expire March 31, 2026 (instead of Dec. 13, 2025).

It's only SWUs earned via rewards for the 2025 qualifying year that will expire March 31, 2027.

From aa.com:

This is basically a very modest improvement, as most people normally would have waited to choose an SWU benefit until they were able to use it. The only very mild improvement is if you had 2 SWUs picked in the same benefit choice and needed to use them in a longer than 12 months timeframe, such as one today and the second one in 13 months. And having to plan about timing.

fotographer Dec 13, 2024 7:03 am

so.. having time to actually see what AA has rolled out.. I am happy I enjoyed my years has
a EXP was it was BIS , no spend etc..
upgrades seem to clear 9/10 (now its 2/10) , 8 SWU every 100K..
I just wish they had something for 3MM ..


born sleepy Dec 13, 2024 7:06 am

Not exacly a new thing but last month AA announced that we can apply systemwides to an itin without having to call.

So I did that just now for two one-way NRT itins. I thought it was odd that the portal recommended only to apply it to the long-haul segment vs any domestic connecting flights. OK, did that, and left the connections as is.

What would be the harm in applying a systemwide to all segments of a one-way? I know the domestic segs would u/g immediately even if the DFW/NRT was waitlisted (it is of course).


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