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Originally Posted by stant
(Post 35897604)
you get to pick two. if you go for the charitable contribution thats 500 clams, 400 after tax deduction.
but you can also go for 60k points. thats half of a saver international j award. the cost basis for that has GOT to be well over $400. Heck even if you dont ascribe more fuel burn to premium seats, just the jet A costs more than that for a seat, let alone staff, equipment depreciation, etc. |
Originally Posted by Catbert10
(Post 35896342)
AA views their MM program as forever tainted by the CC miles that used to be counted toward MM status. Maybe in enough years for the credit call MMers to age out AA will reconsider the program.
[Or, given everything else, just admit that big CC spenders make more for them and count the miles at some reduced rate going forward?] |
AA is also conveniently closing the loophole for duplicate/fictitious hold bookings by requiring AAdvantage account/number for 24 hour holds.
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Originally Posted by hhdl
(Post 35897757)
The costs you list do have something in common: they're 99+% the same whether the seat gets filled or not. The marginal cost of an extra body and their baggage across the Atlantic is low-/mid-three figure dollars (that's basically what airlines sell/barter partner one-way J awards to each other for... this accounting of having the FF programs buy awards at not much more the marginal cost also creates the fictional facts/factual fictions about the relative profitability of the metal tubes business vs. the bank customer acquisition business (the God's honest truth: it ain't that simple)).
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Originally Posted by nowayout203
(Post 35897894)
AA is also conveniently closing the loophole for duplicate/fictitious hold bookings by requiring AAdvantage account/number for 24 hour holds.
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Originally Posted by WannaTheater
(Post 35898373)
Is this speculation, or fact?
AAdvantage number. |
Originally Posted by nowayout203
(Post 35898579)
possibly a bit of both. Only AAdvantage members will be able to use 24 hour holds in the near future. The speculative part is that they’ll likely enforce that by requiring the member to login (which will populate their member number in reservations). By design and from experience, AA will prevent identical reservations for the same
AAdvantage number. What will happen is if you have duplicate reservation on hold then one (or possibly both) has always been subject to cancellation when the system does overnight sweeps. So requiring an AA# on the reservation in order to put it on hold isn't going to change anything in this regard. |
Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35897014)
As an FYI SWUs have a book value of about $100 internally at AA and those funds do get allocated to the revenue manager(s) responsible for monetizing those market(s). If a single SWU is applied to multiple flights, the $100 or so gets split between the applicable markets. This isn't published online anywhere to the best of my knowledge, but I have a friend in AA revenue management who told me this.
As others have pointed out you can also get miles and trip credits that can be up to $500 or more if you also have an AA cobranded credit card.
Originally Posted by hhdl
(Post 35897757)
The costs you list do have something in common: they're 99+% the same whether the seat gets filled or not. The marginal cost of an extra body and their baggage across the Atlantic is low-/mid-three figure dollars (that's basically what airlines sell/barter partner one-way J awards to each other for... this accounting of having the FF programs buy awards at not much more the marginal cost also creates the fictional facts/factual fictions about the relative profitability of the metal tubes business vs. the bank customer acquisition business (the God's honest truth: it ain't that simple)).
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Originally Posted by JFKLAX321
(Post 35898908)
The "book value" of an SWU has nothing to do with the real value of an SWU. People will value each of these awards very differently. I couldn't imagine picking anything other than SWUs, but I get a lot of value out of them--certainly more than $125 (half of trip credit) / 15k miles (half of miles credit) worth. I can see how others wouldn't though. And that is why it's nice AA offers choices.
Agree with all of this. You also have to keep in mind that AA doesn't value miles based entirely on what well-informed, value-minded flyertalk members redeem miles for. They value the miles in the aggregate, taking into account how everyone redeems their miles. Most people don't redeem wisely, and that means the overall liability of miles is much less than that of a cherrypicked scenario when someone redeems a one-way in J to Europe or Asia for under 100,000 miles (which--at least from the west coast--takes work to find). |
Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35899754)
I 100% agree with you, I personally value SWUs around $500--I'd buy them at $100 all day long if I could. That being said, I was responding to someone who IIRC said SWUs cost AA nothing, and I wanted to let them know that they do in fact have a book value to AA.
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35899754)
I 100% agree with you, I personally value SWUs around $500--I'd buy them at $100 all day long if I could. That being said, I was responding to someone who IIRC said SWUs cost AA nothing, and I wanted to let them know that they do in fact have a book value to AA.
Bottom line: moving $100 in funny money from one pocket to another via transfer pricing wouldn't impact AA's cash flow. As for what I would pay for an SWU? Different question entirely. Depends on one's willingness to travel in Y. If one is completely unwilling to fly in Y, then an SWU only has value to the passenger if it can be confirmed at time of booking. |
Tell you what, I for one find tremendous utility/value in SWUs and I do not care one iota whether they have any "cost" to AA.
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Originally Posted by beachfan
(Post 35893362)
if the 5 day holds on awards are going away, it’s a net negative. I font know why they would announce it otherwise, there already is a 24 hour hold on paid fares.
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35899754)
I 100% agree with you, I personally value SWUs around $500--I'd buy them at $100 all day long if I could. That being said, I was responding to someone who IIRC said SWUs cost AA nothing, and I wanted to let them know that they do in fact have a book value to AA.
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
(Post 35900508)
Would 5-day award holds going away even be a big negative? Couldn't you just book an award and then cancel it within 5 days (or even later) with no penalty?
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