AA disarray in RDU, Only one GA for Flt, Upgrade - RANT
#1
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AA disarray in RDU, Only one GA for Flt, Upgrade - RANT
OK, I have been an AA AAdvantage member since 1986, been a Gold, Platinum, Exec Platinum and was Concierge Key until March this year for 10 year's as I retired in 2022 not as much travel as before. So now I travel for fun. RDU to LAX, Flight 416 today October 7, 2023, was scheduled to depart at 3:00PM. No GA at Boarding time (2:25PM). Then only one GA shows up for a sold out flight. I am #5 on Upgrade list (with only 1 seat available) so I didn't expect to be cleared (I am Plat Pro now). Wheelchairs not boarded till 2:50, but flight still says on time. I Tweet (I Know X) AA saying what gives, CK's not called, its 10 mins till scheduled departure. Get canned, response, I should talk to the gate agent, who is alone and trying to board over 200 people. I finally get on, take my coach seat as ticketed at 3:10, but app says still on time, 2 FA's at front of plane were queried, say they don't know, Captain hasn't told them anything.
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
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So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Why did you need to realign your ride? It basically arrived LAX on time.
#4
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OK, I have been an AA AAdvantage member since 1986, been a Gold, Platinum, Exec Platinum and was Concierge Key until March this year for 10 year's as I retired in 2022 not as much travel as before. So now I travel for fun. RDU to LAX, Flight 416 today October 7, 2023, was scheduled to depart at 3:00PM. No GA at Boarding time (2:25PM). Then only one GA shows up for a sold out flight. I am #5 on Upgrade list (with only 1 seat available) so I didn't expect to be cleared (I am Plat Pro now). Wheelchairs not boarded till 2:50, but flight still says on time. I Tweet (I Know X) AA saying what gives, CK's not called, its 10 mins till scheduled departure. Get canned, response, I should talk to the gate agent, who is alone and trying to board over 200 people. I finally get on, take my coach seat as ticketed at 3:10, but app says still on time, 2 FA's at front of plane were queried, say they don't know, Captain hasn't told them anything.
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
Sorry this part is confusing to me. You got pulled up front after a delayed boarding, and are complaining anyway? This seems exceptionally kind of them to do and plenty crew would just shrug it off that "the gate agent handles upgrades, we don't" and keep you back in coach with the empty seat in first.
I know you said this was a rant, but all these complaints together, respectfully, seem a little over the top/high maintenance
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Your flight, AA416, arrived at the gate three minutes late; per the DOT a flight is considered to be on time when it arrives within 15 minutes of its scheduled arrival.
#6
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OK, I have been an AA AAdvantage member since 1986, been a Gold, Platinum, Exec Platinum and was Concierge Key until March this year for 10 year's as I retired in 2022 not as much travel as before. So now I travel for fun. RDU to LAX, Flight 416 today October 7, 2023, was scheduled to depart at 3:00PM. No GA at Boarding time (2:25PM). Then only one GA shows up for a sold out flight. I am #5 on Upgrade list (with only 1 seat available) so I didn't expect to be cleared (I am Plat Pro now). Wheelchairs not boarded till 2:50, but flight still says on time. I Tweet (I Know X) AA saying what gives, CK's not called, its 10 mins till scheduled departure. Get canned, response, I should talk to the gate agent, who is alone and trying to board over 200 people. I finally get on, take my coach seat as ticketed at 3:10, but app says still on time, 2 FA's at front of plane were queried, say they don't know, Captain hasn't told them anything.
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
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You know you're in for it when a rant leads off with a multi-sentence recitation of elite credentials. No surprise that the actual complainable event is a nothingburger. Three minutes late? Jeez.
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No offense but for someone who has more creds than King Chuck I would think you would be pretty accustomed to delays. What you described is pretty much a typical AA day (and really any US airline for that matter). Someone said you need thicker skin. I agree. If you want to always leave on time I would fly private.
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OK, I have been an AA AAdvantage member since 1986, been a Gold, Platinum, Exec Platinum and was Concierge Key until March this year for 10 year's as I retired in 2022 not as much travel as before. So now I travel for fun. RDU to LAX, Flight 416 today October 7, 2023, was scheduled to depart at 3:00PM. No GA at Boarding time (2:25PM). Then only one GA shows up for a sold out flight. I am #5 on Upgrade list (with only 1 seat available) so I didn't expect to be cleared (I am Plat Pro now). Wheelchairs not boarded till 2:50, but flight still says on time. I Tweet (I Know X) AA saying what gives, CK's not called, its 10 mins till scheduled departure. Get canned, response, I should talk to the gate agent, who is alone and trying to board over 200 people. I finally get on, take my coach seat as ticketed at 3:10, but app says still on time, 2 FA's at front of plane were queried, say they don't know, Captain hasn't told them anything.
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
So people keep boarding, Group 9 gets on at 3:30, I finally get a text from AA saying flight is delayed to 3:10PM At 3:30!!!!!!!!!!. Doors closed at3:35PM, then get another text saying revised revised takeoff is 3:40PM. We finally pull away from gate at 3:45PM (app says flight departed at 3:26PM, which is untrue, but I have low expectations of AA).
While we are taxiing, on of the FA's comes to me and says after we reach cruising altitude, I can take the one open FC seat and move my bags. I guess an 80% upgrade is better than a 0%. This was a first for me in almost 40 years of flying, getting upgraded after doors close, during taxi. I know its better than not getting an upgrade, but I just feel the whole situation and lack of any contrite behavior or apology is what gets me.
Captain never acknowledged delay, AA at never said sorry, so I had to scramble to realign my ride due to flight delay.
I am not looking for any response, just thought I would share typical AA behavior and lack of customer care.
All I wanted was an acknowledgement that AA caused the delay as an unforced error (clear weather in RDU and LAX), lack of adequate people at the gate, but no sorry for the delay. Typical AA. If UA and Delta weren't so awful (and I have status on both), I would use another carrier, and 'Ive tired B6, but I find them lacking as well.
END OF RANT
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So AA went above and beyond to let you move to First after the flight had closed and their schedule was padded to account for delays such as what happened resulting in the flight arriving 3 minutes late. Sounds like an overall great experience to me!
I agree that the AA app is not always accurate with the pushback time but has never been off by more than a few minutes tops. Flightaware says that the plane took off at 339pm.
I agree that the AA app is not always accurate with the pushback time but has never been off by more than a few minutes tops. Flightaware says that the plane took off at 339pm.
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No offense but for someone who has more creds than King Chuck I would think you would be pretty accustomed to delays. What you described is pretty much a typical AA day (and really any US airline for that matter). Someone said you need thicker skin. I agree. If you want to always leave on time I would fly private.
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Good reading for Sunday...
From my personal experiences, most of us have seen worst issues with AA these days, and most of us would just bite the bullet and take it as part of the pleasure of travelling these days.
From my personal experiences, most of us have seen worst issues with AA these days, and most of us would just bite the bullet and take it as part of the pleasure of travelling these days.
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To me, the most annoying thing is the refusal of crew and staff to acknowledge the flight was late. I've had AA do this several times: run a flight late and gaslight the passengers, acting as if all was normal. All it takes is an announcement (like most airlines do): "Sorry about the delay, folks. We've had X problem, but we're doing our best to get going as soon as possible." But the gaslighting drives me insane.