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Ways American Can Improve the Flagship Program
I personally think that AA does a good job with its Flagship Program and its premium products in general. The ground experience is already better than what AA's rivals offer and I find the premium cabins to be more consistently comfortable than DL, UA, or AS. I find even the older J cabins to still be quite spacious and comfortable for longhauls, even though the 77W and 321T are showing their age. When they take delivery of their new XLRs and 789s and complete their retrofits on older aircraft, they'll easily have the best hard product among US carriers.
I believe there's a huge opportunity here for American to make some small and affordable changes to the Flagship product that could put them on par with their European and Asian counterparts:
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Originally Posted by gophish11
(Post 35639940)
4. For trips operating from airports that lack Flagship facilities, provide a premium drink voucher and complimentary hot menu item at the AC if flying on a Flagship itinerary.
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Originally Posted by S80
(Post 35639968)
We don't give them ideas, we need flagship lounges in SEA and RDU! /s
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Originally Posted by robertablake
(Post 35640000)
...and CLT.
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I think QR style dine on demand is probably too much to ask, but perhaps something like JL, where the main meal is served to all pax at the same time, but then there is a relatively extensive menu of small bites and a set 2nd meal (usually breakfast) that can be ordered on demand.
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Originally Posted by gophish11
(Post 35639940)
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Originally Posted by NickRivas
(Post 35640157)
The dine on demand thing is asking too much from AA but generally on long haul Flagship even just transatlantic 7 hours they always put good snacks and small bites in the galley. Besides junk like chips or candy bars, they also usually have fruits, small sandwiches, etc and I find that since the sundae is the most popular dessert, the FAs will often put all the other leftover dessert and cheese plates in the galley as well.
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Originally Posted by S80
(Post 35639968)
We don't give them ideas, we need flagship lounges in SEA and RDU! /s
Originally Posted by fender5787
(Post 35640120)
I think QR style dine on demand is probably too much to ask, but perhaps something like JL, where the main meal is served to all pax at the same time, but then there is a relatively extensive menu of small bites and a set 2nd meal (usually breakfast) that can be ordered on demand.
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Are you asking about Flagship First? or Flagship business?
Since First class is going away, I assume we are talking about the future "Flagship Business" product? |
Originally Posted by carlosdca
(Post 35640326)
Are you asking about Flagship First? or Flagship business?
Since First class is going away, I assume we are talking about the future "Flagship Business" product? |
I agree. Their flagship product is good on ground and in-air.. I think they need to invest more in the wine program and also rotating the menus more often (both from a seasonality standpoint and some locality based on the destination/or departure area)..
They did a great job with the Chelsea/Soho lounges so the more of that they can do for the other flagship base camps the better. I also agree with the FA’s hospitality on those routes.. I have only had above average to really good ones.. (SFO-JFK), that’s mostly flagship first and only 5-6 times a year, so not indicative of the rest of the cabin or any trend since small sample size. So in summary, better wine, more “local” food menu but everything else is pretty good and better than anything else domestically. |
Originally Posted by fender5787
(Post 35640120)
I think QR style dine on demand is probably too much to ask
I asked for it a couple of times. I think this was back in the NGBC seats times. Given how AA's FAs are, this is a change they would not welcome. If implemented, the FA's dislike for the change will be reflected on the FA's attitude towards the passengers. |
Originally Posted by gophish11
(Post 35640364)
Yes - I mean their "Flagship" ticketed itineraries in either F or J, but mostly J since that's the future. I.e., what would you like to see them do with the FF Dining program for 2024 and beyond?
Personally, I don't care about the Flagship Dining. I value more: Uncrowded and dedicated check-in (when visas need to be checked or when checking bags) An uncrowded lounge. Dedicated line for boarding that can be used ANY TIME (not just at start of boarding and then the area just gets mobbed with all pax), Consistent good service from FAs Of course, a comfortable seat. I think the current AA J seat variants are good overall. Hopefully new aircraft does not have those awful J seats with tiny footwells that make for a super uncomfortable sleep.(hello Delta). Food and wine list are not going to swing the scale towards AA for me. It is still going to be mediocre food and wine. See, I don't ask for much. Unfortunately, AA fails in many of the simple things mentioned above. |
Carlos speaks wisely (except I'm not a fan of the seats)..
AA could triple what they spend on wine and I still wouldn't drink it. Emirates, JAL, Cathay have drinkable wine in First, but even then, the wine in J is weak. It's all about the hard product. The 772 coffin style J seats are weak. At one point, when the 77W seats were relatively new, they had the best in class. They need ot focus on that, not doors to make the coffin complete. |
Originally Posted by beachfan
(Post 35643032)
They need ot focus on that, not doors to make the coffin complete.
Originally Posted by beachfan
(Post 35643032)
At one point, when the 77W seats were relatively new, they had the best in class.
One of the other things that makes a difference is the screen quality. The screens AA used on the Zodiac Concept D seats are incapable of going dark, they have extraordinary light leakage from the top and bottom. It is really difficult to watch any shows/movies with night scenes as the leakage washes out the video. ---------------------------------------------------------- Regarding the OPs question - to make AA J better, they need someone with authority running the cabin. Right now, it's a bunch of equals with no supervision. Some do great, others largely exist on the plane sight unseen and some are like Stasi prison guards. Until there is an actual Purser on board with the ability to manage the flight, AA will continue to have hit or miss and industry trailing service and soft product. |
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