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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by flying_geek
It is (pretty much) true for EXP. Whenever there is PE space available for upgrades (IE, they would sell upgrades) EXPs are entitled to get them for free.

1, There is no automated process to put EXPs on an upgrade list. So you have to ask. It is NOT necessarily a gate thing either. You can ask at check-in, and if there are upgrades available for sale - you will get one for free. Sometimes, if you haven't already upgraded a segment - you might get a prompt at OLCI, sometimes later.
Categorically - when there was space and I asked - I got a free upgrade.
2, Because it is a manual process, if there is no immediate space available for sale, things can go off track at the gate. The agent is supposed to upgrade if you asked, but may "forget" and "accidentally" clear employees into PE etc

People say they sometimes get free PE if an SWU failed - true - but has nothing to do with SWU - having the SWU replaces the "asking" part only. You can even ask at check-in, get your free PE upgrade and a SWU to J applied at the gate. There has to be space, and you have to ask.

I rather frequently buy MUC-CLT-FLL-CLT-MUC and pretty much always buy outbound in Y and return in J (discounted fare classes of course) - Not once when there was space in PE did I not get the upgrade (when asked) at check-in. Sometimes I get a free offer when checking in at the app.
Your luck on this might be specific to the generosity of the MUC out-station GAs, plus the fact that you're a frequent flyer on this route.

Have you tried this on any other routes originating in any other stations?
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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Warriorconcept
Are these originating USA? I bought the $230 mistake fare for January and was wondering if I would have an option to upgrade at check in or if I should keep an eye out for points booking. Didn't realize I couldn't buy up to economy like with United 🥲
The offer was in the app, not during check-in (although I've seen it offered there as well).

The direction of the flight doesn't matter. The upgrades tend to be offered as long as there are seats free. Whether you are okay with the asking price is a different question. You can check back and find different prices as the flight gets closer. Sometimes cheaper, sometimes more expensive.
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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by aj_potc
The offer was in the app, not during check-in (although I've seen it offered there as well).

The direction of the flight doesn't matter. The upgrades tend to be offered as long as there are seats free. Whether you are okay with the asking price is a different question. You can check back and find different prices as the flight gets closer. Sometimes cheaper, sometimes more expensive.
Thank you! I don't see an upgrade offer yet but assume it'll change as I get closer to the flight (January). Worst case I can pay for MCE.
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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 8:00 pm
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Originally Posted by npretnar
Your luck on this might be specific to the generosity of the MUC out-station GAs, plus the fact that you're a frequent flyer on this route.

Have you tried this on any other routes originating in any other stations?
MUC-CLT is a 6-7 times a year thing for me - I have nothing comparable from other airports. However I did do MAD-MIA and LHR-MIA (each once) last year where each I got a free y->PE upgrade
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Old Dec 22, 2023 | 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by flying_geek
MUC-CLT is a 6-7 times a year thing for me - I have nothing comparable from other airports. However I did do MAD-MIA and LHR-MIA (each once) last year where each I got a free y->PE upgrade
Would this still apply as EXP on an economy award ticket?
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Old Dec 22, 2023 | 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by PDXPremier
Would this still apply as EXP on an economy award ticket?
I am pretty certain that upgrades are available only for domestic award tickets.
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Old Dec 23, 2023 | 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by PDXPremier
Would this still apply as EXP on an economy award ticket?
no experience with that
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Old Dec 24, 2023 | 1:21 am
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Originally Posted by flying_geek
It is (pretty much) true for EXP. Whenever there is PE space available for upgrades (IE, they would sell upgrades) EXPs are entitled to get them for free.

1, There is no automated process to put EXPs on an upgrade list. So you have to ask. It is NOT necessarily a gate thing either. You can ask at check-in, and if there are upgrades available for sale - you will get one for free. Sometimes, if you haven't already upgraded a segment - you might get a prompt at OLCI, sometimes later.
Categorically - when there was space and I asked - I got a free upgrade.
2, Because it is a manual process, if there is no immediate space available for sale, things can go off track at the gate. The agent is supposed to upgrade if you asked, but may "forget" and "accidentally" clear employees into PE etc

People say they sometimes get free PE if an SWU failed - true - but has nothing to do with SWU - having the SWU replaces the "asking" part only. You can even ask at check-in, get your free PE upgrade and a SWU to J applied at the gate. There has to be space, and you have to ask.

I rather frequently buy MUC-CLT-FLL-CLT-MUC and pretty much always buy outbound in Y and return in J (discounted fare classes of course) - Not once when there was space in PE did I not get the upgrade (when asked) at check-in. Sometimes I get a free offer when checking in at the app.


Pretty sure it's automated now a days

From a flight back in November

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Old Dec 24, 2023 | 12:05 pm
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Pretty sure it's automated now a days

From a flight back in November

I wonder if the process is automated if you are not waitlisted for business (presumably with an SWU)?
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 4:39 pm
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Not seeing any paid upgrade offers on the AA app for an upcoming transatlantic flight I have booked in Basic Economy. Any idea why? Is it just because the flight is zeroed out in PE and J classes? I do see some free seats on the seat map

EF shows:

AA 729

LHR 06/27/24 9:45 AM
PHL 06/27/24 12:40 PM

789
Daily
95% / 10m

C0 J0 R0 D0 I0 W0 P0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7L7 G4 V7 S6 N5 Q5 O5
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Its sold out in both premium cabins if they're zero'd out, which they are in this case.
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Originally Posted by flying_geek
EXP can get free upgrade to PE
Is this also true for international award flights?
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Old Jun 25, 2024 | 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by ChurnieEls
Its sold out in both premium cabins if they're zero'd out, which they are in this case.
Well, that may be true for this LHR-PHL flight on Thursday but my basic economy LHR-JFK at the start of September looks like this on EF right now, and I still am not being offered any paid upgrade solicitations. Why is that? It’s an 001 plated ticket, with the return flight an AA coded BA operated JFK-LHR leg. Might that be what’s preventing AA from showing me any upgrade offers on the outbound?

F5 A5 C7 J7 R7 D7 I0 W7 P0 Y7 B7 H7K7 M7 L7 G7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7
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Originally Posted by salut0
Well, that may be true for this LHR-PHL flight on Thursday but my basic economy LHR-JFK at the start of September looks like this on EF right now, and I still am not being offered any paid upgrade solicitations. Why is that? It’s an 001 plated ticket, with the return flight an AA coded BA operated JFK-LHR leg. Might that be what’s preventing AA from showing me any upgrade offers on the outbound?

F5 A5 C7 J7 R7 D7 I0 W7 P0 Y7 B7 H7K7 M7 L7 G7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7
I don't know about AA, but on DL, only flights that are both DL operated and DL coded are eligible for online seat upgrade offers.
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Old Jun 25, 2024 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by salut0
Not seeing any paid upgrade offers on the AA app for an upcoming transatlantic flight I have booked in Basic Economy. Any idea why? Is it just because the flight is zeroed out in PE and J classes? I do see some free seats on the seat map

EF shows:

AA 729

LHR 06/27/24 9:45 AM
PHL 06/27/24 12:40 PM

789
Daily
95% / 10m

C0 J0 R0 D0 I0 W0 P0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7L7 G4 V7 S6 N5 Q5 O5
J=full fare business
W=full fare PE

C/R/D/I = various discount Biz
P=discount PE

So since J and W will be the last of those seats to sell in the respective cabins, J0 and W0 mean there are no upgrade options available. Seeing seats on the seat map when the fare buckets are showing zero means people have been ticketed but don't have seats assigned yet.

Also, a friend of mine buys BE (I don't) and he only saw upgrade offers at time of check in on the app starting at 24 hours prior to flight. He never got them in advance like others do on the other non BE fares.
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