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Old Sep 25, 2022, 12:15 am
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American has almost 40k more employees than Delta & United

Any idea why American has so many more employees than Delta & United.

American: 123k
United: 84k
Delta: 83k

They all operate similar networks so surprising they have that many more employees.
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 6:20 am
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Originally Posted by flyingdelta
Any idea why American has so many more employees than Delta & United.

American: 123k
United: 84k
Delta: 83k

They all operate similar networks so surprising they have that many more employees.
Could be a combination of a larger fleet and insource versus outsource.
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 6:52 am
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One question- I tried to quickly Google this but couldn’t find a definitive answer.

Does that figure include employees from wholly owned regionals? So is that an American Airlines Group employee count?
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 7:15 am
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they may have similar networks but do they operate similar numbers of flights to each other?

According to wiki

AA - 6800 flights per day / 350 destinations / 917 planes
DL - 5400 / 325 destinations / 877 planes

So that would account for part of it plus as others have mentioned does AA directly employ more staff whereas DL and UA have contracted out some functions so those staff don't appear in the employee headcount
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 7:36 am
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Does the AA number include the three wholly owned regional subsidiaries - Envoy, PSA and Piedmont? If so, that number probably makes sense.
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 10:13 am
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This appears to be the source of the number: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...irlines-group/

They have a source for their information, but you need an account to view it
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by USFlyerUS
Does the AA number include the three wholly owned regional subsidiaries - Envoy, PSA and Piedmont? If so, that number probably makes sense.
The other two legacy network majors have no owned regional affiliates at all anymore, right?
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
The other two legacy network majors have no owned regional affiliates at all anymore, right?
Delta owns one (Endeavor Air). They also sold Delta Global Services which did alot of their ground handling. AA owns three regionals and between mainline, Envoy and Piedmont does all of their domestic ground handling internally. AA also outsources less maintenance than it's competitors.
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 3:43 pm
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Besides the possible inclusion of whole owned regionals, could the massive tech base in Tulsa materially account for the difference? Do UA/DL have anything close to that scale?
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 5:24 pm
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Besides the possible inclusion of whole owned regionals, could the massive tech base in Tulsa materially account for the difference? Do UA/DL have anything close to that scale?
Delta TechOps at ATL is pretty large. Don't know specific numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is similar in size.
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Old Sep 25, 2022, 5:57 pm
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Besides the possible inclusion of whole owned regionals, could the massive tech base in Tulsa materially account for the difference? Do UA/DL have anything close to that scale?
Yes. The DL ATL maintenance base was mentioned upthread. UA has a big maintenance base at SFO, not just airframe and component overhaul but complete with turbine shop, test cells, all sorts of very cool stuff. Like DL Tech Ops, UA also seeks out third-party business:
https://www.unitedtechops.com/
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