American charging $10 for refund of "fully refundable" Business Flexible fare?
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There is no DOT requirements for this. The fare portion was fully refunded. I fully expect DOT to NOT take this up as an enforcement action. They’ll open a case with AA upon receiving a complaint and AA may just address it as a courtesy refund but no violation of US regulations.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
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If there's no DOT requirement then maybe there should be. It's worth filing a complaint about; it should be obvious to the customer at purchase time what is refundable and what isn't. The amount of money is not relevant; if it's ok for an airline to fall to disclose that a $10 tax is non-refundable then it's ok for them not to disclose that a $100 or $1000 tax is not refundable. This is not about $10; it's about whether it's ok for an airline to say (or strongly imply) that something is fully refundable when it's only partially refundable.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
I'm all for AA and the others being called to the carpet for their shenanigans, but this legitimately feels like something outside of AA's control.
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If there's no DOT requirement then maybe there should be. It's worth filing a complaint about; it should be obvious to the customer at purchase time what is refundable and what isn't. The amount of money is not relevant; if it's ok for an airline to fall to disclose that a $10 tax is non-refundable then it's ok for them not to disclose that a $100 or $1000 tax is not refundable. This is not about $10; it's about whether it's ok for an airline to say (or strongly imply) that something is fully refundable when it's only partially refundable.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
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so the DR gov is making money every time someone cancels a flight. Seems unfair.
What if other countries started doing the same?
OTOH, It would seem to me that writing some very simple coding into AA's software could make it possible that one gets an alert about which taxes will not be refundable.
LOL. I know, AA's IT.
What if other countries started doing the same?
OTOH, It would seem to me that writing some very simple coding into AA's software could make it possible that one gets an alert about which taxes will not be refundable.
LOL. I know, AA's IT.
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Contacting the credit card used to pay for the ticket(s) is another option--for an amt. as small as $10, the cc might issue a $10 refund "automatically".
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If there's no DOT requirement then maybe there should be. It's worth filing a complaint about; it should be obvious to the customer at purchase time what is refundable and what isn't. The amount of money is not relevant; if it's ok for an airline to fall to disclose that a $10 tax is non-refundable then it's ok for them not to disclose that a $100 or $1000 tax is not refundable. This is not about $10; it's about whether it's ok for an airline to say (or strongly imply) that something is fully refundable when it's only partially refundable.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
What if you cancel within 24hr? Then is it fully refundable? Many airlines will strongly push you to purchase "worry-free" because you can cancel for a "full refund" within 24 hr.
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so the DR gov is making money every time someone cancels a flight. Seems unfair.
What if other countries started doing the same?
OTOH, It would seem to me that writing some very simple coding into AA's software could make it possible that one gets an alert about which taxes will not be refundable.
LOL. I know, AA's IT.
What if other countries started doing the same?
OTOH, It would seem to me that writing some very simple coding into AA's software could make it possible that one gets an alert about which taxes will not be refundable.
LOL. I know, AA's IT.
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Airlines are to remit taxes collected by the 15th of following month after ticketing.
https://dgii.gov.do/busqueda/Paginas...aspx?k=tarjeta
https://dgii.gov.do/busqueda/Paginas...aspx?k=tarjeta
Last edited by seawolf; Jul 26, 2022 at 8:39 am
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The lack of disclosure is 100% within their control. The problem is not that the tax is not refundable, it's that they don't warn you that the ticket that you are about to buy has a nontefundable component. Until they give you that warning then I believe they should be on the hook for refunding the full amount. If it costs them $10 every time then maybe that will motivate them to get that warning properly implemented.
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(2) there tends to need to be a justification to dispute a charge. If it is confirmed by DOT that AA isn't permitted to retain the tax paid, I should think that it will refund anyway
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(1) it is the OP's problem if AA is entitled to retain the non refundable taxes - a check with DOT would be the way to be sure
(2) there tends to need to be a justification to dispute a charge. If it is confirmed by DOT that AA isn't permitted to retain the tax paid, I should think that it will refund anyway
(2) there tends to need to be a justification to dispute a charge. If it is confirmed by DOT that AA isn't permitted to retain the tax paid, I should think that it will refund anyway
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(1) it is the OP's problem if AA is entitled to retain the non refundable taxes - a check with DOT would be the way to be sure
(2) there tends to need to be a justification to dispute a charge. If it is confirmed by DOT that AA isn't permitted to retain the tax paid, I should think that it will refund anyway
(2) there tends to need to be a justification to dispute a charge. If it is confirmed by DOT that AA isn't permitted to retain the tax paid, I should think that it will refund anyway
There's definitely US precedent for airline to not refund tax because the tax is non-refundable as per regulation. US PFCs are not refundable when a non-refundable ticket is not used. While I understand this is refundable ticket, the point is that the refundability of a tax is determined by regulation. In this case, DR has enacted legislation that does not appear to allow airline to refund or waive; all refunds processed by DR government.
Also it appears DOT position is not to get involved in regards to air transportation taxes.
https://www.elliott.org/blog/surpris...dable-tickets/
From Delta
https://www.delta.com/us/en/legal/notices/overview
The Airlines are not allowed to process a refund directly or to request it on behalf of the passenger. According to the information published by the DGII in their website, the timeframe to respond the request is fifteen (15) business days upon receipt of the request. Passengers can request the refund up to thirty (30) days after arrival into the Dominican Republic. For more information and additional requirements, see the website link above. The tax is nonrefundable, even in the case of an itinerary change, for all other passengers.