American charging $10 for refund of "fully refundable" Business Flexible fare?
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I would still file a DOT complaint.
AA indicates that the ticket is fully refundable, with no caveat about this tax. That means that they are on the hook to refund it. If they can't get their money back from the DR government, that's between them and the DR government. Your agreement is with AA, and your agreement specifies that you are due a full refund.
AA indicates that the ticket is fully refundable, with no caveat about this tax. That means that they are on the hook to refund it. If they can't get their money back from the DR government, that's between them and the DR government. Your agreement is with AA, and your agreement specifies that you are due a full refund.
Refunds of taxes
You can request a refund of eligible taxes included in the ticket price. If eligible, we'll refund the original form of payment.- Destination-specific taxes not imposed by us may be eligible
- Taxes we must pay whether you travel are not eligible
I don't believe there's much of a case to be made here.
I agree that it's hidden, much like most of AA's stuff. Fortunately for the OP, it's only 10 bucks and not a lot more.
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Before booking it says "check to agree with the CoC and the Refund policy". In the latter, it says under Refunds
I don't believe there's much of a case to be made here.
I agree that it's hidden, much like most of AA's stuff. Fortunately for the OP, it's only 10 bucks and not a lot more.
Refunds of taxes
You can request a refund of eligible taxes included in the ticket price. If eligible, we'll refund the original form of payment.- Destination-specific taxes not imposed by us may be eligible
- Taxes we must pay whether you travel are not eligible
I don't believe there's much of a case to be made here.
I agree that it's hidden, much like most of AA's stuff. Fortunately for the OP, it's only 10 bucks and not a lot more.
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I don’t know how the regulators will come out on this, probably best case is to force better disclosure of taxes that are not refundable (and we know how bad AA is at disclosures, how they bury the link to the fare rules until right before purchase.)
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As you can see, I am taking no position on whether the argument is correct, and I'm definitely not offering any thoughts on whether any court or government agency would agree with it.
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Unfortunately, that's the name of the game for airlines. The headline banner fare sounds good, but it comes with a paralegal's worth of paperwork.
Of all the questionable practices we've seen over the years (flexible vs fully flexible, wonky fare rules, business mileage tickets that have the majority in economy buried inside), IMO, this isn't that big of one or unreasonable. If AA doesn't get the money back, they can't give it back to you.
That said, to give AA props here - the refunds page is a delight to read compared to their fare rules. It's clearly organized, easy to read AND NOT IN ALL CAPS. It took me a few seconds to find the quoted para in my post a few up.
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Before booking it says "check to agree with the CoC and the Refund policy". In the latter, it says under Refunds
I don't believe there's much of a case to be made here.
I agree that it's hidden, much like most of AA's stuff. Fortunately for the OP, it's only 10 bucks and not a lot more.
Refunds of taxes
You can request a refund of eligible taxes included in the ticket price. If eligible, we'll refund the original form of payment.- Destination-specific taxes not imposed by us may be eligible
- Taxes we must pay whether you travel are not eligible
I don't believe there's much of a case to be made here.
I agree that it's hidden, much like most of AA's stuff. Fortunately for the OP, it's only 10 bucks and not a lot more.
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Question is, when does AA itself have to pay the tax? Do they pay the DR govt as soon as a ticket is issued, or just prior to passengers arriving? This tax used to be collected directly from the passengers upon arrival in DR.
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Putting a generic disclaimer in the CoC and even detailed fare rules is not sufficient -- it's one thing for fine print to clarify something that isn't stated either way in an ad; it's quite another to try to use fine print to directly contradict the clear booking screen wording. It's pretty nonstandard around the world for taxes not to be tied to, and refundable with, a specific purchase. Imagine if you returned an unopened widget to Home Depot and they tried to claim that they weren't going to refund the sales tax part. Yes, they have to do accounting for it, but that's their job.
tl;dr: I would file a DOT complaint regardless; let the regulators sort out with AA whether this is acceptable or not.
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It appears from the posts above that the $10 tourist tax is imposed by the Dominican Republic.
So when does AA pay the DR gov?
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I wonder what AA does when they cancel your flight due to weather/operational reasons and you chose not to get rebooked. Are you out the $10?
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There is no DOT requirements for this. The fare portion was fully refunded. I fully expect DOT to NOT take this up as an enforcement action. They’ll open a case with AA upon receiving a complaint and AA may just address it as a courtesy refund but no violation of US regulations.
Last edited by seawolf; Jul 25, 2022 at 4:38 pm