boerne

I have looked at Airpass recently too. not ready to pull that trigger. Am pricing an open jaw trip to the west coast early next year and Alaska F pricing looks pretty good, compared to other AA options. So in this current situation its good to have flexibility.

Furby

I noticed that first class to Maui out of DFW in the peak winter timeframe are ridiculously priced, both in $ and miles. However they have been tinkering with them recently, and the $ fares have recently started to come down a little perhaps because no one seems to be buying! United fares out of Chicago are a much more reasonable price.

IWontRegretThis

Having had aairpass (with CK) before and now having UA PassPlus, I will say pass plus is a MUCH better program. Have to book originating tickets in the US, but get a flat % off based on fare class; and can use across the TATL JV and TPAC JV partners.

bchandler02

Not surprised with Fuel and everything else in general so high, thank you inflation.

OKC/BOS was ~400 in Y throughout 2019 when I was making multiple trips up there. Just booked again for a trip this summer and Y was almost 900, F was 1600.

LlamaJesus

Just looked at Aerolopa (see below for some numbers) out of curiosity, and it seems like the carriers are all pretty similar other than AA having less F on the 319 and Delta's 320 (for United, I'm not sure as familiar with their fleet but I don't think they have many of the 319 and 320's anyway). Either way, the 321 and 738 are really the vast majority of AA's planes, and they're similar there (at first I wrote competitive instead of similar, then I thought better of myself). Somehow, DL has the same number of Y seats as AA on their 319, and 3 more Y seats on their 320 (despite also having 4 more F seats on each).

F seats per narrowbody airplane:

AA:
319: 8
320: 12
321: 20 (I'm not including the A321T)
738: 16

Delta:
220: 12
319: 12
320: 16
321: 20
738: 16
739: 20
752: 16 or 20
753: 24

United:
319: 12
320: 12
737: 12
738: 16
739: 20
752: 16
753: 24

ijgordon

So for giggles, I did just do the more detailed comparison for AA and DL, and when you do consider the number of each type of plane (stats as of 12/31/21 from each 10-K), I'm getting that 8.7% of AA's narrowbody seats are first class, vs. 10.5% for DL. (Note, I'm assuming 16F in AA's 321s, but I think maybe they're moving toward 20F to be consistent with the 321neos - Oasis-ized?) If you assume they're consistent with the neo, that moves AA's % up to 9.2%. Regardless, that's still 15-20% more F seats on DL. I'm also calculating that AA has an average of 14.5-15.5 F seats per aircraft (depends on the 321 assumption), while DL has 17.4, so DL has 10-20% more on this basis.

Note - this also reflects more dense seating in AA Y (including, particularly, fewer MCE/C+ seats, notably AA's 738s have 12 more Y seats than DL's and both are 16F). It does not reflect utilization / ASMs so it's not perfect, but arguably AA's 319s do the shorter hops (and thus more turns) and have the lowest % of F seats (6.3%) while DL's 319s are 9.1% F and the 221s/717s are 11%.

EXP100

DL has more F seats but when you look at the workhorse of the AA fleet, the 738 and 321 (except 321T) the F seat count is the same. DL has more larger narrowbody types than AA. Other than the 319 (12 F compared to 8F) the F seating per a/c is similar.

MarkOK

Yep, I booked a SWO/BOS trip (for June) for about $ 700 back in March for work. Colleagues who waited are now paying about $ 900. Back in 2016-2019, I booked this route at about that time of year for about $ 500.

1readyset2go

I paid for F almost 1k for BNA-SFO with a connection in Houston and I booked that a few months ago. Almost all of SQ's routes are up 50% in that time as well.
I also needed to book DPS-SIN. I was about to book it but something came up and 3 days later when I went to actually buy the ticket it had gone up $300 for J.

DataPlumber

DL crams the FC seats with less pitch. Its noticeable.
Not sure about the back of the bus.

mvoight

Demand is up, fuel prices are up..... not limited to AA

LlamaJesus

Just going off the Aerolopa images (which could be wrong, of course), it looks like the bathrooms on the DL planes are in different locations (further back), and they may be a bit smaller. Not sure what AA uses that space for (cargo, fuel?).

xliioper

Both AA and DL seem to be standardizing on 37" pitch in FC on newer aircraft.
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am.../fleetinfo.php
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/De.../fleetinfo.php

Alaska looks to be the most generous when it comes to FC seat pitch
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Al.../fleetinfo.php


FWIW, the DL 757-200 model with 16 seats up front mentioned upthread is actually their Delta One version (75S) with flatbed seats. DL 757-200s with First Class seating all have 20 seats in FC.

thunderdeacon

Luckily all of my trips that I have this summer were booked about 6 months ago before things got super expensive. I have one flight from San Francisco to New Orleans in June. I was looking to change the date by one day. The fair would have gone up by $500 so I just stuck with my original day. I looked at current fares for some of the tickets I already have booked for the summer, and most of them are hundreds and hundreds of dollars more now than they were when I booked them. However, I just booked several flights in October and November last night, and they were cheap again, relatively speaking. I got Oklahoma City to San Francisco for $150, San Francisco to salt Lake City for $102, salt Lake City to Jackson Mississippi for $112, and Jackson Mississippi to Oklahoma City for $150. These were all in november.

Spanish

Great read, interesting #'s, thank you.