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Originally Posted by D3KingAmerican
(Post 34031716)
i most certainly do . Should I be able to use that line to the far left for pre check ? The tsa supervisor i spoke with seemed uninformed
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Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
(Post 34033437)
Since you're PreCheck, do what I always do the next time you are at IAH Terminal A — head for the security checkpoint on the north side of the terminal and the PreCheck lane which is at the far right. Then, after you clear security, turn left twice and take a short walk over to the AA gates.
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Originally Posted by D3KingAmerican
(Post 34033447)
Exactly. After I landed just now at IAH I took a look at the other side of Terminal A and there is a tsa pre check. Thank you to all for the insights and feedback 👍
I find the IAH airport confusing. I don't know if they are remodeling or what..but signage to ANYWHERE is lacking . We had a similar issue last year in IAH with UA. Signage did not say "TSA PRECHECK". The sign referred to Unite Elite Mileage Plus. Nobody seemed to know where TSA precheck was I ended up using the UA Elite line..and I was fine. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34032627)
If AA is not providing the service that they advertise then complain to AA. TSA has no obligation to let you skip the line because you are traveling first class.
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34033029)
Why should a government agency give priority to people who pay AA more money? If AA is willing to pay the additional cost of the extra employees to screen their elite passengers, then fine. Otherwise it's paid for with taxpayer money and you get the same service as anyone else.
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 34033485)
Wait, so what is the arrangement between CLEAR and TSA that people get to skip the line in CLEAR? There is no money involved? Nothing at all? CLEAR just say "pretty please" and TSA said ok.
Please reread what I'm saying. I'm saying that if AA (possibly along with other airlines) pays to have a dedicated line for their elites and premium cabin passengers, that's fine. But if not then you are SOL. Other posters seem to think that the TSA should let you through first just because you are elite and/or premium cabin, whether there was an arrangement with the airline or not. And that's just ridiculous. In this case the OP described what is clearly NOT a priority line (he even said that the only people he ever saw in it was summertime in a wheelchair and their family). He send to think that he has a right to use it and skip the line because of his status of whatever. He should have been sent to the back of the line just like everyone else. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34033537)
Of course there is money involved.
Please reread what I'm saying. I'm saying that if AA (possibly along with other airlines) pays to have a dedicated line for their elites and premium cabin passengers, that's fine. But if not then you are SOL. Other posters seem to think that the TSA should let you through first just because you are elite and/or premium cabin, whether there was an arrangement with the airline or not. And that's just ridiculous. In this case the OP described what is clearly NOT a priority line (he even said that the only people he ever saw in it was summertime in a wheelchair and their family). He send to think that he has a right to use it and skip the line because of his status of whatever. He should have been sent to the back of the line just like everyone else. |
IAH TSA is the worst that I've dealt with. I got yelled at in 2019 for having my laptop in my bag while going through precheck, me telling the TSA agent that it's a benefit of precheck to not have to take out my laptop (which was a pain in the ...) just made him visibly irritated. I ended up acquiescing, so I didn't miss my flight and was blown off by the complaint line telling me that agents have a right to change the rules as they see fit.
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Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033586)
IAH TSA is the worst that I've dealt with. I got yelled at in 2019 for having my laptop in my bag while going through precheck, me telling the TSA agent that it's a benefit of precheck to not have to take out my laptop (which was a pain in the ...) just made him visibly irritated. I ended up acquiescing, so I didn't miss my flight and was blown off by the complaint line telling me that agents have a right to change the rules as they see fit.
They state "TSA PreCheck® hours are subject to change based on operational needs. TSA incorporates unpredictable security measures throughout the airport and no passenger is guaranteed expedited screening." I wonder if anybody ever told those idiots who run Precheck that compliance to (stupid) instructions has no relationship to whether or not someone is going to bomb the plane. |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 34033652)
Basically their advertising is false.
They state "TSA PreCheck® hours are subject to change based on operational needs. TSA incorporates unpredictable security measures throughout the airport and no passenger is guaranteed expedited screening." I wonder if anybody ever told those idiots who run Precheck that compliance to (stupid) instructions has no relationship to whether or not someone is going to bomb the plane. |
In IAH Terminal A, the AA and NK side (gates 18-27 I believe) has 2 lines
1. Regular 2. Clear There used to be a priority line The other side (low A gates) has 3 lines 1. Regular 2. Pre 3. Clear This also used to have a priority line In order to use pre, you have to go on the low A gate side and take the connector walkway. About a 8 minute walk. If you use the AA side (High A gates), they will hand you a slip that allows you to go through the metal detector, however all large electronics need to be removed. However, you will have to either have clear or stand in the regular line. I looked at the dfw airport checkpoint status and like AA at IAH, Terminal D and C no longer have priority checkpoints. There is one in A and B. Looks like yet another "enhancement" |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 34033553)
I mean, I know it is OT but what right do CLEAR patients have to skip the line? I would argue that it is the same as this poster skipping the line.
In the OP's case, there is no longer a priority line.
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033586)
IAH
Check in takes forever. Baggage takes forever. Security is run by bigger idiots than usual. They manage to put bags on the wrong bag belt with regularity and twice have managed the unique feat of putting one flight's bags on 2 belts at the same time. |
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 34033702)
Clear has a deal with the TSA to allow passengers to do that. It's no different than why priority pax can board before regular ones - pay more, get more.
In the OP's case, there is no longer a priority line. |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 34033708)
So, formalized corruption?
If so, not much I can say to change your mind. if not, its largely the same thing. It is a service that you can pay for that comes with certain published benefits. |
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033586)
IAH TSA is the worst that I've dealt with. I got yelled at in 2019 for having my laptop in my bag while going through precheck, me telling the TSA agent that it's a benefit of precheck to not have to take out my laptop (which was a pain in the ...) just made him visibly irritated. I ended up acquiescing, so I didn't miss my flight and was blown off by the complaint line telling me that agents have a right to change the rules as they see fit.
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033660)
In this instance, this was one of those combined lines where i had the laminated paper saying I was precheck, the guy was just being an idiot, then stuck to his guns when I corrected him. I do love the addition of "unpredictable security measures" in that though. It's the perfect cover for incompetence.
So it would not surprise me to be asked to take my laptop out. I did go through a combined checkpoint at PHL last year where they actually kept track of PreCheck versus non-PreCheck bags in the X-ray. I thought that was the exception rather than the rule, but I do see another report (from 2020) that "the bag goes through with an identifier (often a brick) and thus no 3-1-1 or laptop silliness". In any case, this could easily still vary by airport, and "PreCheck-light" was the norm in combined lines for years, so I'm not sure why you're so confident that IAH TSA was wrong in this case. |
Originally Posted by FlyingEgghead
(Post 34033763)
Interesting -- my understanding was that in those combined lines, you typically get "PreCheck-light", which applies to your person (i.e., you go through the metal detector rather than the full body scanner, and keep on your shoes, jacket, etc.) but not to your bags (i.e., you still have to take out your laptop). This is because the laminated paper stays with you and you give it to the metal detector agent, but they don't have a way to associate PreCheck with your bag as it goes through the X-ray along with non-PreCheck bags.
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Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 34033726)
Do you consider Global Entry and TSA Pre to be "formalized corruption"?
If so, not much I can say to change your mind. if not, its largely the same thing. It is a service that you can pay for that comes with certain published benefits. It doesn't actually say they can go to the front of the line. They have to wait in line with the other people. CLEAR doesn't actually add any security verification to that. So why should they go to the front of the line? CLEAR is not government. As far as I know you cannot pay a private company to get you an expedited passport. You pay the government (which we call normal in the US). Can an individual hire police to provide security? In Africa they do, pay for VIP service from the airport to the city. Only a few hundred dollars. Police will escort you. Is that the same in the US? The government is just for hire? |
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033798)
Unless that rule is specific to IAH, it's definitely not the case. ONT (my home airport) has the dedicated precheck line closed often, even pre-covid, due to lack of volume in morning and evening, so I go through the combined line with the laminated page, and I have always got normal precheck behavior, laptop stays in the bag, non-puffy light jackets stay on, toiletries stay in the bag, and shoes stay on.
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Originally Posted by FlyingEgghead
(Post 34033812)
Okay, but I linked you to a whole thread about PreCheck-light where laptops do come out, so I'm clearly not making it up even if you've never seen it outside of IAH. I could equally well claim your experience is specific to ONT.
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 34033553)
I mean, I know it is OT but what right do CLEAR patients have to skip the line? I would argue that it is the same as this poster skipping the line.
Personally I think it's BS but it is what it is. I hope that CLEAR is paying TSA enough money for that. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34033926)
Well the idea behind CLEAR is that they don't need to go through the identity verification part because CLEAR does that for them. The first line is to verify your identity.
Personally I think it's BS but it is what it is. I hope that CLEAR is paying TSA enough money for that. I actually think the idea behind CLEAR is that precheck is too cheap for priority security. Gotta make travellers pay more. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34033926)
Well the idea behind CLEAR is that they don't need to go through the identity verification part because CLEAR does that for them. The first line is to verify your identity.
Personally I think it's BS but it is what it is. I hope that CLEAR is paying TSA enough money for that. |
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34033944)
What part do you think is BS? I wish they'd move all TSA to biometrics, like they did with Global Entry. Clear has saved my ... many times, most notably at DEN where the TSA line was extremely long after getting to the airport late due to a customer meeting that ran long. Made it through CLEAR with no wait, and breezed through the precheck inspection. Best part, my AMEX Plat pays for both clear and precheck.
If TSA was 100% biometrics, or biometrics for those who opted in, I agree that would be better. That's not what this is. Do not confuse a government program like global entry with a private company like Clear. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34034087)
The part that's BS is that you are skipping the line.
If TSA was 100% biometrics, or biometrics for those who opted in, I agree that would be better. That's not what this is. Do not confuse a government program like global entry with a private company like Clear. |
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34034161)
I wasn't confusing GE and Clear, I was saying TSA should go fully biometric like GE, but even if they did, they would still charge and provide a bio and regular line for people who don't sign up for bio. I don't know Clear is that' much different than paying for precheck, which lets you bypass post-9/11 security theater, or different from airlines providing expedited security (like Delta One at LAX - Delta One® At LAX). Federal agencies let private companies handle gov't business all the time. JMHO
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Love CLEAR. Fantastic service, and super cheap now that credit cards offer annual reimbursement for most if not all of the annual CLEAR membership fee.
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Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 34033699)
In order to use pre, you have to go on the low A gate side and take the connector walkway. About a 8 minute walk.
Just did A-North security to A30 this past Friday. |
Originally Posted by SDQBound
(Post 34032415)
So PPRO is only open to US Citizens or Residents?
Many elites in the US or traveling frequently to the US (myself included) are ineligible for TSA-PRE or Global Entry. The closest we are get to TSA PRE is Clear (and there are still restrictions - my spouse couldn’t get CLEAR until she got a SSN). |
Originally Posted by seigex
(Post 34034161)
I wasn't confusing GE and Clear, I was saying TSA should go fully biometric like GE, but even if they did, they would still charge and provide a bio and regular line for people who don't sign up for bio. I don't know Clear is that' much different than paying for precheck, which lets you bypass post-9/11 security theater, or different from airlines providing expedited security (like Delta One at LAX - Delta One® At LAX). Federal agencies let private companies handle gov't business all the time. JMHO
In terms of lines, it is simply economics. Raise the price of Precheck and you'll have less people. And in terms of letting private companies handle government business-did you see the pushback on ID.me for IRS logons? Private companies abuse people's data all the time. I don't think that should be allowed. If CLEAR goes bankrupt, can they sell people's biometrics? All's fair in business ... |
Originally Posted by jayer
(Post 34033024)
https://www.fly2houston.com/iah/tsa-hour
I understand not wanting to get fingerprinted "on principle". But if you are a boomer or younger in the US and say, drive, or have a passport; your fingerprints have already been taken. |
I'm so confused by this whole story. Who what where why when? What were all the line options?
In my experience (on UA I know nothing of AA), there are 3 lines at most airports: Regular, Elite, and TSA Pre. Elites can use the regular Elite line and take off their shoes but there is no such thing as an Elite Pre line. The only people who can cut the Pre line are Clear and Crew. Is OP saying there was an Elite+Pre line at IAH??? Regardless, if the sign is gone then I guess they can't use it. Sorry. The companion Pre issue is neither here nor there but they stopped handing it out a few years back. My mom always (like 100%) used to inherit mine. After half a dozen times waiting in line, she broke down and agreed to get it. I've been telling her to for years now. Would not bite the bullet on GE though :/ |
Originally Posted by sexykitten7
(Post 34035750)
I'm so confused by this whole story. Who what where why when? What were all the line options?
In my experience (on UA I know nothing of AA), there are 3 lines at most airports: Regular, Elite, and TSA Pre. Elites can use the regular Elite line and take off their shoes but there is no such thing as an Elite Pre line. The only people who can cut the Pre line are Clear and Crew. Is OP saying there was an Elite+Pre line at IAH??? Regardless, if the sign is gone then I guess they can't use it. Sorry. Regular Unlabeled The unlabeled line at some point in the past (pre-covid?) had been a Priority lane, but since then the Priority sign had been removed. The OP had continued to use the unlabeled lane without issue until this time they got called out by the TSA. There is another checkpoint further away in the same terminal that has TSA Pre, but this one does not. |
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