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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Old Nov 18, 2021, 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by tjcxx
What is the route ? That might help get to the bottom of this.
MIA-TLV though that should have nothing to do with it... they also screwed up MIA-PHL-LHR-EDI at the just before this flight
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Old Nov 18, 2021, 4:56 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingEgghead
You were told incorrectly. Loyalty Points for flying are equal to RDM, which AA specifies as follows:
I'm missing how you were able to book flights for 2023.
Thank you for the link.. can now share this when I speak with them today and should have been 2022
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Old Nov 18, 2021, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by MarJon
MIA-TLV though that should have nothing to do with it..
I asked about the route to try to understand how much the carrier surcharge might be. There are routes with little or no carrier surcharge. Looking at your numbers I'm guessing MIA/TLV in J, and the carrier surcharge is about $1200. That $1200 (as well as the actual fare) should earn you EQD, RDM and in the future LP.
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Old Nov 18, 2021, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by tjcxx
I asked about the route to try to understand how much the carrier surcharge might be. There are routes with little or no carrier surcharge. Looking at your numbers I'm guessing MIA/TLV in J, and the carrier surcharge is about $1200. That $1200 (as well as the actual fare) should earn you EQD, RDM and in the future LP.
Thank you! Speaking now with Advantage Program desk... well not speaking.. explained exactly what the problem was and was put on hold... for over 35 minutes now.
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Old Nov 18, 2021, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by brp
One thing to consider when redeeming these is that they expire 1 year from redemption, I believe. So, no need to redeem earlier than you need to.

Cheers.
Plan to redeem only when I am ready to use. But the question is, if I spend the 1 credit now, then when I get EXP - will I get 2 more credits - or just 1 credit, since I got 1 credit when earned Platpro.

Thinking maybe if redeemed - then I might get 2 credits?

Question is for someone who has gone through earning PlatPro this year then later earning EXP. Not someone who was a carryover EXP, unless they earn by the EXP requirements.
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Old Nov 18, 2021, 5:45 pm
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by MarJon
Thank you! Speaking now with Advantage Program desk... well not speaking.. explained exactly what the problem was and was put on hold... for over 35 minutes now.
Follow-up: After 45 minutes, phone went to survey before anyone came back. Called back and finally talked to someone who understood not only about the Carrier Imposed fees but just about everything and indicated that in fact the CIF's were missing and she had it corrected by the end of the day! 28k LP's versus 11k. Thank You Melody and everyone here!
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by MarJon
Follow-up: After 45 minutes, phone went to survey before anyone came back. Called back and finally talked to someone who understood not only about the Carrier Imposed fees but just about everything and indicated that in fact the CIF's were missing and she had it corrected by the end of the day! 28k LP's versus 11k. Thank You Melody and everyone here!
This is a good result. Thanks for sharing. The concern it raises is that the system may default to Base Fare only (as it did in your case) and require intervention (and multiple calls) each time. Maybe less of an issue with RDM now, but it will matter more when these are also LP.

Perhaps other folks with similar itineraries already posted may want to review some and see what happened? We don't have any standard AA-purchased flights subject to this calculation method in the past while, so nothing to review.

Cheers.
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Old Nov 19, 2021, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by brp
This is a good result. Thanks for sharing. The concern it raises is that the system may default to Base Fare only (as it did in your case) and require intervention (and multiple calls) each time. Maybe less of an issue with RDM now, but it will matter more when these are also LP. Perhaps other folks with similar itineraries already posted may want to review some and see what happened? We don't have any standard AA-purchased flights subject to this calculation method in the past while, so nothing to review.
Cheers.
It seems that the problem was at least 2 fold. 1) AA Changed the flights & cities around and issues a new ticket and 2) Part of the original ticket was paid with a travel credit. Apparently, each one of these alone can cause issues, let alone the 2 together. If anyone has a similar issue, simply ask the AAdvantage desk to send it to be recalculated. That should fix everything.
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Old Nov 20, 2021, 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by MarJon
Follow-up: After 45 minutes, phone went to survey before anyone came back. Called back and finally talked to someone who understood not only about the Carrier Imposed fees but just about everything and indicated that in fact the CIF's were missing and she had it corrected by the end of the day! 28k LP's versus 11k. Thank You Melody and everyone here!
maybe I didn’t go far enough back and I’m confused. This question of CIFs being part of LP is my main concern given I’m booking flights in 2022 and have EXP already. The above quote seems to be suggesting LP earning is already assigned in your case, incorrectly? When I try booking Jan 2022, April 2022 domestically it shows earning as it has in 2021. Tried LAX to LHR with large surcharges, still same. On the latter flight, we did always get EQDs for YQ, correct? Shows we do on my April 2022 booking even though not relevant given changes.

So has it been proven that base fare plus YQ will equal LP just as it earns EQDs times 11 in case of my being EXP.?

pretty stupid of AA to start this with untrained staff and still show antiquated earning numbers in 2022.
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 6:44 am
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To summarize, is it the consensus that LPs will equal RDMs for all flights (AA and partner)? Or am I oversimplifying?
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by Jonesdds
So has it been proven that base fare plus YQ will equal LP just as it earns EQDs times 11 in case of my being EXP.?

pretty stupid of AA to start this with untrained staff and still show antiquated earning numbers in 2022.
No, it has not been proven since LPs don't exist yet. It has been "confirmed" by AAdvantage Customer Service based on what they know. I also don't like that they don't show them now (and partner pages have not been updated). Even though they won't show up in accounts until March, 2022, it really would be nice to start showing them now. For example, showing EQD for flights after March 1, 2022 makes no sense. The rollout has been something less than stellar.

Originally Posted by vasantn
To summarize, is it the consensus that LPs will equal RDMs for all flights (AA and partner)? Or am I oversimplifying?
That's my understanding based on everything I've read, heard and been told.

Cheers.
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
Plan to redeem only when I am ready to use. But the question is, if I spend the 1 credit now, then when I get EXP - will I get 2 more credits - or just 1 credit, since I got 1 credit when earned Platpro.

Thinking maybe if redeemed - then I might get 2 credits?

Question is for someone who has gone through earning PlatPro this year then later earning EXP. Not someone who was a carryover EXP, unless they earn by the EXP requirements.
I re-qualified for PPRO in early Sept and was credited with 1 reward. I then qualified for EXP a week later and received 2 more rewards. I still have not spent any of the 3 rewards as I don’t want to set the expiration clock ticking as I will probably go the SWU route.
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
To summarize, is it the consensus that LPs will equal RDMs for all flights (AA and partner)? Or am I oversimplifying?
No, that’s not true. On AA is 5x per dollar spent(not miles) up to 11x for EXPs. What constitutes “dollar” is still in question, I think that equals EQDs under old system(incl YQ) based on what I’ve read.

For partners, yes, using the charts base miles plus cabin and elite bonuses and depending on fare code. So RDMs equal LP, yes.

As I understand it, using an example. If I book AA flight at 1000 miles at $500(whatever qualifies as dollars spent) as an EXP I’d earn 5500 LP. If I book the same route on Alaska I’d earn $1000+1200(possibly cabin bonus if applicable, let’s say it’s discounted First so 50%) +500=2700 LPs. Using Luckys(OMAT) math. Sure makes partner travel a lot less lucrative for earning, unless fare is a lot cheaper.
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Old Nov 21, 2021, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Jonesdds
On AA is 5x per dollar spent(not miles) up to 11x for EXPs.
Exactly. That's how RDMs are currently (and will continue to be) calculated. Same as LPs.

My point was that RDMs and LPs will be equal for any given flight.
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