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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!
Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
How many LPs do I need for elite status?
How do I earn LPs?
Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.
AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $
Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)
* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.
So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.
A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.
Earning chart for QR
Here's a great online LP calculator:
https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/
AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints
There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:
BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.
SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.
AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.
Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.
Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard
What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.
These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.
Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.
Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler℠ status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.
Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
How many LPs do I need for elite status?
Code:
Gold: 40K Platinum: 75K Plat Pro: 125K EXP: 200K
Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.
AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $
Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)
* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.
So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.
A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.
Earning chart for QR
Here's a great online LP calculator:
https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/
AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints
There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:
BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.
SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.
AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
- A separate thread exists to discuss the AAdvantage eShopping portal
- Another thread exists to discuss using the portal for a particular merchant, giftcards.com
- For additional questions about buying and using gift cards, refer to the separate Manufactured Spending forum.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.
Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.
Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard
What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.
These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.
Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.
Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler℠ status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.
Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status
#751
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From the FAQ section of https://aadvantagestatus.com/ we have:
So I would take that as, if a lifetime Platinum hasn't flown at all in 12+ months, they will be at the bottom of the list for upgrade priority, and yes would be behind someone at Gold level who has been paying for recent flights.
With EQDs going away, will Loyalty Points be used to determine my upgrade priority?
Yes, beginning March 2022 we will use your 12-month rolling Loyalty Points value to determine your upgrade priority.
Current priority from aa.com:
- Elite status level (ConciergeKeySM members are first, followed by Executive Platinum, Platinum Pro, Platinum and then Gold members)
- Upgrade type in this order: (1 - Systemwide and mileage award upgrades*, 2 - 500-mile upgrades on purchased tickets, 3 - 500-mile upgrades on award tickets)
- 12-month rolling EQDs
- If the upgrade type and 12-month Rolling EQD value are the same we’ll look at the booking code then date/time of the request to determine prioritization.
#752
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#753
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: SoCal,
Programs: BAEC Gold, AA PPro
Posts: 771
Wow, I don’t know how I missed that. It actually makes sense, it incentives those of us holding a ton of miles to take that liability off the books. Thanks for setting me straight. Cheers.
#754
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Regarding the comment earlier that people will now do segment-runs. Very few people will do that. The extra benefits are so weak that the hassle and cost of segment running is not justified. Unless you are really close to the 30 segments, that is.
#755
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: TX
Programs: Alaska, AA, Marriott
Posts: 943
Booking with Avios then switching the FF number fo AAdvantage might work, though... if they don't really mean/require 001-ticketed.
#756
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They are clear as mud, lol. Would it be too hard to have a common sense person check their writing. Any poster on FT can spot all these vague references.
#757
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,546
AA-marketed means you bought the flight with an AA flight number. While not defined within the new promotional materials, that is how AA and other airlines use that term. Look at the rules for status challenges, for example.
#758
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: DFW
Programs: OWE AA EXP;*A TK Gold; Marriott LTT; Hyatt Globalist; IHG Plat; National VIP
Posts: 3,097
What?!? The complimentary food at the Admiral's Clubs I have been to is in no way comparable to the included food at the Centurion Lounge. Am I going to the wrong Admiral's Clubs? Admittedly I've only been to Miami, Charlotte, and Chicago ones in the past few years, maybe they're subpar at those AA stations?
Admirals: you still have the soup (paper cup though but survivable), vegetables (raw vs cooked but I prefer that), there is also low quality cheese if one is into that, a salad thats lentil or beans that I actually like and hummus thats edible. To me its a wash between the food options at these lounges. Add in guacamole at Admirals and Im almost leaning to say its better depending on one's preferences.
Drinks are by far better at the Centurion (because they are included vs Admirals where one has to pay for anything decent). I would still take the relative calm of Admirals club over the mayhem canteen that became of Centurian lounge.
#759
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OTOH, assuming that the median EXP was generating $15k in revenue for 2019, that's somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 in profit, and they were getting SWUs.
Hilton's CEO commented that while overall business travel is down, it's down most among the big companies (he was quoted as saying the biggest companies have gone from 20% of Hilton's business travel revenue to 10%). It's not surprising: for a company of N employees, there are probably typically log2(N + 1) decision makers: if 1 of those decision makers decides not to resume travel at 2019 (let alone trend), that company isn't resuming 2019/trend travel (a decision maker could be a department head: one department not resuming means the overall company is still down). So for a single-person company (e.g. an independent consultant), it's 1 decision maker, at 100k, it's 17. So if the probability of a given decision maker in an industry saying "get back out there" is P, then the probability of a company of N employees resuming travel is 1 - (1-P)^(log2(N + 1)).
Let's say 80% of decision makers in some industry are in favor of resumption. That indicates that 80% of 1-person shops go back out, 64% of 3-person shops, 51% of 7-person shops, 41% of 15, and so on to 2% of 100k shops. If this model is anywhere near accurate, you'd see that shift in composition. The longer companies survive without 2019 levels of travel, the lower the ceiling on that probability gets.
The program changes are somewhat a reaction to that. Small business owners are legendary in their ability to put spend on cards in ways that a salaryman at a large company (where there are more likely to be corporate issued T&E and/or procurement cards) can't (Delta's longstanding practices around card spend are almost certainly driven by Amex's view of small business cards as a key part of their ecosystem (even prepandemic, it was possible to put c. $250k in spend on the right combination of Delta Amex cards and get SWUs with zero segments required!)).
The segment requirement is also, IMO, a reaction to the shift in clientele. J/F flyers can be partitioned into three categories: self-pay, OPM where the OP are okay with their M being spent on J/F, and OPM where the OP are only okay with M being spent on Y/PY, but someone self-paid for an upgrade with miles or cash. SWUs for the second category of flyers are a good business practice: if the people paying for your travel are OK with J/F, you're not booking Y and applying an SWU. The SWU will get used for J -> F or on a leisure trip where the yield was low anyway. In the other categories, you're more likely to see a behavioral change from a cash J/F booking to Y + SWU, and smaller companies are more likely self-payers (or you see the boss saying, "I know you have a SWU, so expense Y and use the SWU", i.e. more likely to opportunistically be third category). This can of course be dealt with by restricting SWU applicability (there do appear to be more complaints on the DL forum than the AA forum about not being able to find a flight where a SWU can be applied), but AA seems to prefer to limit outstanding SWUs vs. being much more restrictive about when they can be applied.
Hilton's CEO commented that while overall business travel is down, it's down most among the big companies (he was quoted as saying the biggest companies have gone from 20% of Hilton's business travel revenue to 10%). It's not surprising: for a company of N employees, there are probably typically log2(N + 1) decision makers: if 1 of those decision makers decides not to resume travel at 2019 (let alone trend), that company isn't resuming 2019/trend travel (a decision maker could be a department head: one department not resuming means the overall company is still down). So for a single-person company (e.g. an independent consultant), it's 1 decision maker, at 100k, it's 17. So if the probability of a given decision maker in an industry saying "get back out there" is P, then the probability of a company of N employees resuming travel is 1 - (1-P)^(log2(N + 1)).
Let's say 80% of decision makers in some industry are in favor of resumption. That indicates that 80% of 1-person shops go back out, 64% of 3-person shops, 51% of 7-person shops, 41% of 15, and so on to 2% of 100k shops. If this model is anywhere near accurate, you'd see that shift in composition. The longer companies survive without 2019 levels of travel, the lower the ceiling on that probability gets.
The program changes are somewhat a reaction to that. Small business owners are legendary in their ability to put spend on cards in ways that a salaryman at a large company (where there are more likely to be corporate issued T&E and/or procurement cards) can't (Delta's longstanding practices around card spend are almost certainly driven by Amex's view of small business cards as a key part of their ecosystem (even prepandemic, it was possible to put c. $250k in spend on the right combination of Delta Amex cards and get SWUs with zero segments required!)).
The segment requirement is also, IMO, a reaction to the shift in clientele. J/F flyers can be partitioned into three categories: self-pay, OPM where the OP are okay with their M being spent on J/F, and OPM where the OP are only okay with M being spent on Y/PY, but someone self-paid for an upgrade with miles or cash. SWUs for the second category of flyers are a good business practice: if the people paying for your travel are OK with J/F, you're not booking Y and applying an SWU. The SWU will get used for J -> F or on a leisure trip where the yield was low anyway. In the other categories, you're more likely to see a behavioral change from a cash J/F booking to Y + SWU, and smaller companies are more likely self-payers (or you see the boss saying, "I know you have a SWU, so expense Y and use the SWU", i.e. more likely to opportunistically be third category). This can of course be dealt with by restricting SWU applicability (there do appear to be more complaints on the DL forum than the AA forum about not being able to find a flight where a SWU can be applied), but AA seems to prefer to limit outstanding SWUs vs. being much more restrictive about when they can be applied.
DL's loyalty program is already about elite status benefits as a hook more than about redeemable/spendable miles being a hook. AA's loyalty program seems on a path to try to end up with the elite status as a hook approach.
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For several months now, I've been seeing my BA-issued award tickets for AA flights show up in my AA account activity after entering my AA frequent flyer number into the record locators. When I look under "Method", it shows "Ineligible - Award Ticket" for my BA-issued award tickets for AA flights. But that was and is to be expected even before this October announcement, as the the routine outcome is that even AA-issued mileage tickets for AA flights haven't counted toward elite qualifying stuff.
#761
Join Date: Oct 2021
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Programs: Alaska, AA, Marriott
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Hint: It's not in the new program's FAQ that way.
#762
Join Date: Jan 2003
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I’m not being flip or a smart azz here, but no way AA is allowing any segments traveled under an award to be counted. Giving customers anything isn’t in their DNA any more. This entire change is about boosting revenue. One poster nailed it a few pages back, this is HP reincarnated.
#763
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: TX
Posts: 92
I've been reading the thread all week and am looking for confirmation or corrections of what I've learned so far. I am PlatPro, likely to expire Feb 28, 2022.
- If I buy a $100 (fare only, no taxes or fees) AA coach ticket in Jan and fly in Feb, I would earn 9×100 LPs, i.e 900 LPs, upon completing my flight.
- If I got an AA cc (let's assume a 1 mile :1 $ type), and used it to pay for the ticket, I would earn 100 LPs in Jan when I bought the ticket.
- If I fly Iberia and work pays for the ticket, I don't know yet how many LPs I would earn (but if unchanged from current chart, might be 20% of distance for discount PE).
- If I bought an AA vacation, LPs might not yet be known, and may depend on whether the fare code has a * or not.
Being local to DFW, we have enjoyed many non-stop flights, and often get upgraded when we do the mini hops (like CLT to ORF). I don't have a business and am in a LCOL area, so not much cc spending each year. Work travel, which had been 60% of our travel, is also gone. I have a lot of math to do this weekend, but I am not optimistic that we'll be able to get status for even one of us (it was going to be hard regardless of AA's change to LPs).
- If I buy a $100 (fare only, no taxes or fees) AA coach ticket in Jan and fly in Feb, I would earn 9×100 LPs, i.e 900 LPs, upon completing my flight.
- If I got an AA cc (let's assume a 1 mile :1 $ type), and used it to pay for the ticket, I would earn 100 LPs in Jan when I bought the ticket.
- If I fly Iberia and work pays for the ticket, I don't know yet how many LPs I would earn (but if unchanged from current chart, might be 20% of distance for discount PE).
- If I bought an AA vacation, LPs might not yet be known, and may depend on whether the fare code has a * or not.
Being local to DFW, we have enjoyed many non-stop flights, and often get upgraded when we do the mini hops (like CLT to ORF). I don't have a business and am in a LCOL area, so not much cc spending each year. Work travel, which had been 60% of our travel, is also gone. I have a lot of math to do this weekend, but I am not optimistic that we'll be able to get status for even one of us (it was going to be hard regardless of AA's change to LPs).
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#765
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I've been reading the thread all week and am looking for confirmation or corrections of what I've learned so far. I am PlatPro, likely to expire Feb 28, 2022.
- If I buy a $100 (fare only, no taxes or fees) AA coach ticket in Jan and fly in Feb, I would earn 9×100 LPs, i.e 900 LPs, upon completing my flight.
- If I got an AA cc (let's assume a 1 mile :1 $ type), and used it to pay for the ticket, I would earn 100 LPs in Jan when I bought the ticket.
- If I fly Iberia and work pays for the ticket, I don't know yet how many LPs I would earn (but if unchanged from current chart, might be 20% of distance for discount PE).
- If I bought an AA vacation, LPs might not yet be known, and may depend on whether the fare code has a * or not.
Being local to DFW, we have enjoyed many non-stop flights, and often get upgraded when we do the mini hops (like CLT to ORF). I don't have a business and am in a LCOL area, so not much cc spending each year. Work travel, which had been 60% of our travel, is also gone. I have a lot of math to do this weekend, but I am not optimistic that we'll be able to get status for even one of us (it was going to be hard regardless of AA's change to LPs).
- If I buy a $100 (fare only, no taxes or fees) AA coach ticket in Jan and fly in Feb, I would earn 9×100 LPs, i.e 900 LPs, upon completing my flight.
- If I got an AA cc (let's assume a 1 mile :1 $ type), and used it to pay for the ticket, I would earn 100 LPs in Jan when I bought the ticket.
- If I fly Iberia and work pays for the ticket, I don't know yet how many LPs I would earn (but if unchanged from current chart, might be 20% of distance for discount PE).
- If I bought an AA vacation, LPs might not yet be known, and may depend on whether the fare code has a * or not.
Being local to DFW, we have enjoyed many non-stop flights, and often get upgraded when we do the mini hops (like CLT to ORF). I don't have a business and am in a LCOL area, so not much cc spending each year. Work travel, which had been 60% of our travel, is also gone. I have a lot of math to do this weekend, but I am not optimistic that we'll be able to get status for even one of us (it was going to be hard regardless of AA's change to LPs).