Is there any reason NOT to switch to AAdvantage as a non-business traveler?
#31
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As all of this is subjective, we are all entitled to our opinions. I have flown them long haul multiple times in J and F, and pre-covid times, I was very much satisfied with their F&B offerings. Even in Y, they serve decent beers.
#32
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Of course this was a long time ago.
#33
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You'll go out of your mind
At the inferiority of AA.COM. It lacks functionality of both UA and DL websites/apps. I stick with AA solely because I prefer AA's biz seat for Transoceanic flights. 777s and 787s that is. I've not had the misfortune of a 767 which permeates DL routes.
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BA had a rough patch in the early days of Alex Cruz. But since then, they've improved.
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But yes, 100% agree on the app and website. AA IT systems are absolutely horrid.
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Better than pretty much anything UA flies domestically and better than most of AA's domestic fleet - the AA 321T's are, of course, excellent.
#38
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UA generally runs at least one 78J (787-10) every day in each direction between EWR and LAX + EWR and SFO, in addition to 787-9 (some Polarized, some have not), along with subs of 77W, and Polarized version of 772. They are also easily found other domestic routes, mostly hub-to-hub.
Similar stories at AA, 77W and 772 can be found on many hub-to-hub routes.
If you are going to compare widebodies on domestic routes, UA and AA run circles on DL.
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Your info is quite outdated.
UA generally runs at least one 78J (787-10) every day in each direction between EWR and LAX + EWR and SFO, in addition to 787-9 (some Polarized, some have not), along with subs of 77W, and Polarized version of 772. They are also easily found other domestic routes, mostly hub-to-hub.
Similar stories at AA, 77W and 772 can be found on many hub-to-hub routes.
If you are going to compare widebodies on domestic routes, UA and AA run circles on DL.
UA generally runs at least one 78J (787-10) every day in each direction between EWR and LAX + EWR and SFO, in addition to 787-9 (some Polarized, some have not), along with subs of 77W, and Polarized version of 772. They are also easily found other domestic routes, mostly hub-to-hub.
Similar stories at AA, 77W and 772 can be found on many hub-to-hub routes.
If you are going to compare widebodies on domestic routes, UA and AA run circles on DL.
Regardless, the OP isn't asking about switching to DL, so it's a moot point.
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#41
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You can find the 77W on ONE route. MIA-LAX. Periodically it shows up as a sub, but that's luck of the draw. And UA flies their 2-4-2 77As around (or did until they got grounded) as well as their non-polaris birds quite a bit. Both are inferior to AA's widebodies and DL's.
Regardless, the OP isn't asking about switching to DL, so it's a moot point.
Regardless, the OP isn't asking about switching to DL, so it's a moot point.
UA does not use 777HD (2-4-2) on its TCON routes as normal equipment, even prior to the voluntary grounding; it would use its 738/9 before subbing in 777HD. I fly these routes almost weekly, it's been a combination of 77J, 789, and 752 (most common), but also 77W, 772, and 788 also appear on the schedule quite a bit.
#42
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I'll say this about upgrades...while AA's upgrade policy towards Gold/Platinum members seems harsh compared to the "unlimited complimentary upgrades" offered by AS/UA/DL, I actually think Gold/Platinum members on AA have better upgrade odds than similar AS/UA/DL elites on with the 500-mile upgrade certificate system. By having such system, it effectively reduces the amount of people you are competing with to get an upgrade as often times Gold/Platinum members don't want to use/purchase upgrade certs for a certain flight.
I've seen horror reports about UA flights between hub cities or between hub cities and major metro areas where the majority of the passengers on a flight have status and the upgrade list had 150+ people on it. That would probably never happen on AA.
I've seen horror reports about UA flights between hub cities or between hub cities and major metro areas where the majority of the passengers on a flight have status and the upgrade list had 150+ people on it. That would probably never happen on AA.
#43
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As a former UA flyer who switched to AA it really just depends where you like to go. By far my most flown route is ORD-LHR but I like having the flexibility to book a BA flight if the time suits me better, rather than being tied to UA's schedule. So OW makes more sense to me. I also hate UA's new qualification system although if you fly a bunch of short haul, it probably benefits you. I am not a fan of most *A products in J (I don't really fly F internationally); Lufthansa, Austrian, and SAS are all inferior to BA on transatlantic flights imo. TAP, ironically, is probably the best of them aside from Swiss based on my last trip. Not sure what the complaints are about BA's F&B offering either considering they use Do&Co (talking about their offerings pre-pandemic of course). I also would not discount Finnair (they have the best first class lounge in Europe in Helsinki imo), and Iberia is not great but I would not say it's meaningfully worse than Austrian, for example. The only way I could see the argument that *A has a far superior European offering is if you include TK, but it seems a stretch to connect in IST for flights to anywhere in Europe, and Turkish still does not compare to Qatar. Now if I traveled to Germany, Switzerland, Portugal, etc. more often, my answer would also probably change.
The one thing I do miss about *A is having the Air Canada option but the addition of Alaska to OW more than makes up for this, for me, especially given that Canada seems to be going for "zero covid" so it may be a while before they open up.
The one thing I do miss about *A is having the Air Canada option but the addition of Alaska to OW more than makes up for this, for me, especially given that Canada seems to be going for "zero covid" so it may be a while before they open up.
#44
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You might consider taking the advice of what has been said on this thread (very sensible advice):
Book the flight that offers the most convenient itinerary/ better pricing.
Buy up upgrades with cash when offered, pay for any perks a la carte.
Price and itinerary convenience being equal, of the big three, I like DL the most (despite me being lifetime GOLD with AA). From the booking experience, to buy ups, to the flying experience, I think DL offers a very good experience/product.
However, it seems to me that you are set on pursuing status being loyal to AA or UA. In that, case, as per your original question:
DO IT!
Go for an AA challenge, get status, try it!
At the end of the year, compare how you liked AA in comparison to UA and make a decision then (which one you stay with)
One additional comment: Credit cards love young customers. I doubt you will have a problem getting a Credit Card. Even more so if you are going to pay an annual fee for it.
My first credit card was the Citi Cards Aadvatange Platinum with $85 annual fee. When I got it, my credit history was non-existent and I had a $0 income as I was a student. Go figure. Just apply for it if you really want one.
Book the flight that offers the most convenient itinerary/ better pricing.
Buy up upgrades with cash when offered, pay for any perks a la carte.
Price and itinerary convenience being equal, of the big three, I like DL the most (despite me being lifetime GOLD with AA). From the booking experience, to buy ups, to the flying experience, I think DL offers a very good experience/product.
However, it seems to me that you are set on pursuing status being loyal to AA or UA. In that, case, as per your original question:
DO IT!
Go for an AA challenge, get status, try it!
At the end of the year, compare how you liked AA in comparison to UA and make a decision then (which one you stay with)
One additional comment: Credit cards love young customers. I doubt you will have a problem getting a Credit Card. Even more so if you are going to pay an annual fee for it.
My first credit card was the Citi Cards Aadvatange Platinum with $85 annual fee. When I got it, my credit history was non-existent and I had a $0 income as I was a student. Go figure. Just apply for it if you really want one.
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