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Old Sep 2, 2020, 12:34 am
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Looks like AA is now charging UK apd on awards (to retitle & merge)

Been trying to get an award flight today - was seeing the routine BA flights with hundreds in fees and a few AA flights with normal fees. Couldnt get the AA flight to book. Now when I search, the AA awards have $300 -$500 in taxes.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by ludocdoc
Been trying to get an award flight today - was seeing the routine BA flights with hundreds in fees and a few AA flights with normal fees. Couldnt get the AA flight to book. Now when I search, the AA awards have $300 -$500 in taxes.
AA awards on BA metal have been charged BA surcharges for or a very long time..(Years) Originally I think BA called it a fuel surcharge
This is a BA surcharge, not APD. APD is a UK tax paid for people originating travel in UK, nothing to do with specific airlines
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by ludocdoc
Been trying to get an award flight today - was seeing the routine BA flights with hundreds in fees and a few AA flights with normal fees. Couldnt get the AA flight to book. Now when I search, the AA awards have $300 -$500 in taxes.
$300 is about right for the taxes on such flights (in all classes except Economy where there is a discount) and it has been that much for a few years at least I think..
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 6:50 am
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Originally Posted by ludocdoc
Been trying to get an award flight today - was seeing the routine BA flights with hundreds in fees and a few AA flights with normal fees. Couldnt get the AA flight to book. Now when I search, the AA awards have $300 -$500 in taxes.
That has been a big problem when trying to book for over the pond.. you get so excited to see so many award options .. only to find out that there all are on BA metal...along with the huge taxes and fees
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 6:58 am
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I thought the normal tax on award J flights on AA metal is $5.60
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by enviroian
I thought the normal tax on award J flights on AA metal is $5.60
Not ex-LHR, they're not.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 7:18 am
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OP is confusing taxes with carrier-imposed surcharges (fuel surcharges are a thing of the past).

APD is a UK tax imposed on departures from the UK. It is not carrier-specific. It is especially high on premium classes.

It would be helpful if OP would post the breakdown of these items and he could get a very quick answer as to whether there is an error (unlikely). Best bet is to fly on AA metal. Won't change the taxes but the fees will.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 7:50 am
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Also, since as noted the APD and passenger service charge are only added to the flight departing from the UK, if your schedule is flexible, you could spend the equivalent $300 instead on a mini-stopover in another European city and have your return flight to the US from there. Of course, that's once we're past COVID-19 and the world has returned to normal.

I've done that before to get a free day in Amsterdam, taking the Eurostar from London (which I found to be quite a relaxing trip).
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by twa777
Also, since as noted the APD and passenger service charge are only added to the flight departing from the UK, if your schedule is flexible, you could spend the equivalent $300 instead on a mini-stopover in another European city and have your return flight to the US from there. Of course, that's once we're past COVID-19 and the world has returned to normal.
I've done that kind of vacation routing in the past to knock about $150 off a ticket in large part due to APD and other airport taxes. The majority of big European airports have those kinds of taxes in some form or other- easy to see them all by looking at the full price breakdown after searching a flight on ITA Matrix down to whatever the French/CDG fee is for 'solidarity and airport expansion in developing countries'- it's just the departure APD for most UK airports is particularly high compared to peers.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by twa777
Also, since as noted the APD and passenger service charge are only added to the flight departing from the UK, if your schedule is flexible, you could spend the equivalent $300 instead on a mini-stopover in another European city and have your return flight to the US from there. Of course, that's once we're past COVID-19 and the world has returned to normal.

I've done that before to get a free day in Amsterdam, taking the Eurostar from London (which I found to be quite a relaxing trip).
+1 for this. Every time I go to the UK to visit family I spend a couple of days somewhere in Europe for that exact reason. There are two of us and the savings make the Europe stop over “free”. Very cheap one way fares to almost anywhere in Europe are available from most major UK cities and the fare back to the US from Europe versus London is almost always the same or less even without factoring in the APD savings.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by twa777
I've done that before to get a free day in Amsterdam, taking the Eurostar from London (which I found to be quite a relaxing trip).
I LOVE the London to Amsterdam train!
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
Not ex-LHR, they're not.
Do you mean all AA metal flight USA-LHR are not $5.60? Then I'm confused. I would have sworn I've seen $5.60 being charged at award redemption times for transatlantic J. Sorry for my mis-info.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by enviroian
Do you mean all AA metal flight USA-LHR are not $5.60? Then I'm confused. I would have sworn I've seen $5.60 being charged at award redemption times for transatlantic J. Sorry for my mis-info.
No he does not. Ex USA to LHR is ~$5.60. Ex LHR is 300+ (LHR-XXX)
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
OP is confusing taxes with carrier-imposed surcharges (fuel surcharges are a thing of the past).
Airlines started getting sued for fraud when it turned out the fuel cost per seat actually was less than the 'fuel surcharge' they were charging, so they changed the wording of what they charged to 'carrier fee/surcharge'. If you want to calculate actual fuel cost, most airlines run around 5c/seat/mile for fuel, or $200 on a 4000 mile flight; and you can derive it from an airlines financials by dividing "Total Fuel Costs" by "Available Seat Miles" to get the per-seat per-mile cost.

If you want to avoid the UK departure tax, you can originate in some rural airports in Scotland (Aberdeen/Inverness etc) or Northern Ireland, or outside of the UK altogether. It doesn't apply if you change in the UK, only originate.
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Old Sep 2, 2020, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by CZBB
If you want to avoid the UK departure tax, you can originate in some rural airports in Scotland (Aberdeen/Inverness etc) or Northern Ireland, or outside of the UK altogether. It doesn't apply if you change in the UK, only originate.
APD is payable from Aberdeen as it's not in the exempt area

For Northern Ireland the exemption is only for direct flights to a Band 2 destination such as the USA
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