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Old Mar 4, 2020, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
In response to the last crisis. So far it's done nothing to abet the airlines this time around.
...and the govt better not bailout the airlines this time. Let them go under, those that survive will fill the gap, hire the displaced workers, and expand via the free market. If they all go under, just give certain foreign airlines cabotage rights to serve the US until new airlines form and stabilize the market.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
...and the govt better not bailout the airlines this time. Let them go under, those that survive will fill the gap, hire the displaced workers, and expand via the free market. If they all go under, just give certain foreign airlines cabotage rights to serve the US until new airlines form and stabilize the market.
Agree on all counts!
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 12:18 pm
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Originally Posted by cmd320
No, the statement was ‘ever again’ not this year.
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no. It'll never happen. What happens when mum in Pennsylvania is sick and Karen in Seattle needs to get home one last time to see mum before she passes. Or a salesperson from Great American Company needs to get to XYZ for a million dollar sale. Or a government employee needs to get from DC to Dallas to interrogate a fraudster.

If any of that comes to pass, the government will take the blame, not the airlines who will undoubtedly have asked for help. If the situation is so severe then none of the airlines will survive to take up the slack of the failures. You're also assuming foreign airlines would want to enter the US market. Given the protectionist policies of the current administration, they may find that when times return to normal that they're slung out on their ear.

Even if you ignore the threat to the airline supply chain. No. If any one of the big 3 threaten failure, the government HAS to step in.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
no. It'll never happen. What happens when mum in Pennsylvania is sick and Karen in Seattle needs to get home one last time to see mum before she passes. Or a salesperson from Great American Company needs to get to XYZ for a million dollar sale. Or a government employee needs to get from DC to Dallas to interrogate a fraudster.

If any of that comes to pass, the government will take the blame, not the airlines who will undoubtedly have asked for help. If the situation is so severe then none of the airlines will survive to take up the slack of the failures. You're also assuming foreign airlines would want to enter the US market. Given the protectionist policies of the current administration, they may find that when times return to normal that they're slung out on their ear.

Even if you ignore the threat to the airline supply chain. No. If any one of the big 3 threaten failure, the government HAS to step in.
Are you under some sort of impression that if AA fails to exist there will be no more air travel?
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 1:20 pm
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Are you under some sort of impression that if AA fails to exist there will be no more air travel?
AA won't fail. The US Government won't allow it.

And it won't be just AA in trouble, it'll be all the airlines.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
AA won't fail. The US Government won't allow it.

And it won't be just AA in trouble, it'll be all the airlines.
I disagree.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
AA won't fail. The US Government won't allow it.

And it won't be just AA in trouble, it'll be all the airlines.
The government needs to allow it - it's time for these companies and their management to go. Too many years of screwing over customers and employees to enrich shareholders instead of properly positioning their businesses to survive a rainy day without a government handout.

AA/DL/UA might be gone, but others, such as AS, WN and B6 might still come out of this unscathed and can fill the gap.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:05 pm
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You guys are all missing the big picture here. AA completely failing and going away is highly unlikely, but AA getting broken up, sold, reorg’d, etc is a possibility if they keep trending downward.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by sethMCOflyer
You guys are all missing the big picture here. AA completely failing and going away is highly unlikely, but AA getting broken up, sold, reorg’d, etc is a possibility if they keep trending downward.
Ultimate burned-churner fantasy.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by sethMCOflyer
but AA getting broken up
Yeah I don't see that happening.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
Yeah I don't see that happening.
But if it does I'd love to see DL reopen their DFW hub.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
The government needs to allow it - it's time for these companies and their management to go. Too many years of screwing over customers and employees to enrich shareholders instead of properly positioning their businesses to survive a rainy day without a government handout.

AA/DL/UA might be gone, but others, such as AS, WN and B6 might still come out of this unscathed and can fill the gap.
There are too many jobs, cities and suppliers that depend on those airlines. They are simply too important to the USA to fail. They are actually more important than the car industry to your country.

Your belief in the market is commendable if a little misguided.
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:25 pm
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I am curious, if all this might have any impact on future route planning.

Seems to me, that DL & UA play it more safe, by having a larger footprint in Europe.
(And UA is part of a similar joint-venture, as the AJB.)
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Old Mar 4, 2020, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by wakesetter93
But if it does I'd love to see DL reopen their DFW hub.
Sure what the hell! Why they're at it bring back America West too

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Old Mar 4, 2020, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by GunsOfNavarone
The accounting stuff for frequent flyer miles at the worlds largest airline is well above my pay grade- but AA does have accounting rules to book the frequent flier miles as some type of liability.
It's called "unearned revenue" in Accounting; and indeed, goods or services sold but have yet to be redeemed/delivered are considered liabilities on the balance sheet.
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