FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   American Airlines | AAdvantage (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage-733/)
-   -   Significant changes to UA Mileage Plus program. Impact for AA? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1990893-significant-changes-ua-mileage-plus-program-impact-aa.html)

skunker Oct 11, 2019 11:31 am


Originally Posted by Mr. BoH (Post 31617489)
I agree with you. In my view, the most sensible system would based on spend only (perhaps with a multiplier for J/F fares), ignoring both segments and miles. That would be a decent proxy for how "valuable" you are as a customer. This is essentially what Southwest and Amtrak do.

I was viewing the UA model as at least a step in the right direction.

A multiplier for non-economy fares...such a novel idea. AA does that now.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Oct 11, 2019 11:32 am

How many flyers would buy 2 expensive $12K J fares (or the like) and say "I've got my EXP status now." Probably very few and far in between and meaningless within the stats. Very high probability that some that just spend $24K+ with your airline did it flying multiple times. The issue with also an EQM kicker is that some high spend flyers are buying expensive tickets on short routes. Think of someone buying 2 or more last minute tickets weekly on the DCA/LGA shuttle with some other International J flights thrown in. They might make the $24K EQDs but not make the 100K EQMs.

GTITAN Oct 11, 2019 11:45 am

I think y'all are missing that low dollar folks on UA can benefit because the PQD component now includes non 016 flights (i.e. non UA flight nos.) (i.e. Singapore marketed and operated, etc.) The divisor is 5 or 6. Those who want to do it on mileage can if very strategic and come out under 9K (I.e. flying NYC to SIN) a a few times in PE or the like. The 24K number is steep but not quite as steep as you might think (nor the 18K number for that part).

Safe Travels

billchristoff Oct 11, 2019 11:52 am


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 31616826)
Why?

I am likely to change. I fly ORD to LHR almost monthly. With a few smaller trips and one short mile run, i will end with 16000 in spend and 100,000 miles of credit on 26 segments. Nowhere near 1K status under the changes. United has completely devalued by international spend by requiring 56 segments and 18K or 24K without a segment number. I am pretty sure someone else will provide me greater value to my loyalty.

Nuhusky Oct 11, 2019 11:53 am

Personally id welcome this change. I’m at 65k eqm but over $17k in spend. I’m going to struggle to hit 100k eqm and May miss exp this year

Mr. BoH Oct 11, 2019 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 31617634)
A multiplier for non-economy fares...such a novel idea. AA does that now.

Right, I guess what I am suggesting is to essentially use the current EQD determination as the sole basis for elite status. Perhaps include fee spend as well.

Segments Oct 11, 2019 12:26 pm

UA was never an airline I aspired to fly. Honestly think I only flew them during IRROPS when USAir was *A. Haven’t even established a MPlus account despite having status privileges via Marriott status.

Seriously considering UA now as with my flying patterns 1K is very attainable versus naturally obtaining PLT on AA.

andersonCooper Oct 11, 2019 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by GTITAN (Post 31617685)
I think y'all are missing that low dollar folks on UA can benefit because the PQD component now includes non 016 flights (i.e. non UA flight nos.) (i.e. Singapore marketed and operated, etc.) The divisor is 5 or 6. Those who want to do it on mileage can if very strategic and come out under 9K (I.e. flying NYC to SIN) a a few times in PE or the like. The 24K number is steep but not quite as steep as you might think (nor the 18K number for that part).

Safe Travels

That's still a strict requirement. For EWR - SIN it would take ~8 RT in PE to achieve (or 7 plus 4 segments in UA), which is still way harder to MR.

The program is quite similar to CX MPC now which encourages segments over distance.

skunker Oct 11, 2019 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by Nuhusky (Post 31617716)
Personally id welcome this change. I’m at 65k eqm but over $17k in spend. I’m going to struggle to hit 100k eqm and May miss exp this year

Based on those numbers under UA’s new system you still wouldn’t qualify for top tier. So why exactly would you welcome a change that doesn’t benefit you?

Michael El Oct 11, 2019 12:43 pm

Of course AA will follow UA. They intend to win the race to the bottom.

Nuhusky Oct 11, 2019 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 31617929)
Based on those numbers under UA’s new system you still wouldn’t qualify for top tier. So why exactly would you welcome a change that doesn’t benefit you?

Sure I would. I have 51 segments and will hit over $18k this month

skunker Oct 11, 2019 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by Nuhusky (Post 31618003)
Sure I would. I have 51 segments and will hit over $18k this month

Sounds like a switch to UA might be a better fit for you.

Every airline doesn’t need to have the exact same elite status requirements.

Nuhusky Oct 11, 2019 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 31618097)
Sounds like a switch to UA might be a better fit for you.

Every airline doesn’t need to have the exact same elite status requirements.

I never considered united as an option before. Was always a toss up between delta or aa. Got to say the new ua program could get me to switch in 2020

i do a number of trips to nyc and hate lga with a burning passion. Newark would be far better.

USFlyerUS Oct 11, 2019 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. BoH (Post 31617489)
I agree with you. In my view, the most sensible system would based on spend only (perhaps with a multiplier for J/F fares), ignoring both segments and miles. That would be a decent proxy for how "valuable" you are as a customer. This is essentially what Southwest and Amtrak do.

And hotels and rental car companies. Only airlines have hung onto a system that rewards one based on a non-financial metric. It seems those days are rapidly coming to an end.

My only issue with all of this is ALL spend (excluding taxes and non-airline fees) should count towards the EQD total -- airfare, change fees, club memberships, seat charges, miles redemption fees, and so forth.

GTITAN Oct 11, 2019 1:53 pm

Indeed, more my point was that one could get 1K again for under 15K without the waiver for foreign residency. UA is now more like DL and AA that it was. Foreign carriers in J or PEY are the new mileage runs it would appear for UA denizens.

Safe Travels


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 9:56 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.