AA cancelled an industry-worst 7,500 flights this summer
Jul 11, 2019, 9:44 am
#31
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The odd part is that leading up to the cancellation, the pilot showed the FA's his phone and said "Look at this," and pulled them into the jetway out of the view of the passengers to discuss. I find it hard to believe that this would be a mechanical issue and something more related to an operational issue (shocker), but I'm only speculating. Anyone with access to EF mind taking a look at this flight for me? Thanks
Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 am
#32
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I posted photos of the AA ec261 brochure here.... https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31290468-post1013.html it summarizes the rules.
Jul 11, 2019, 10:28 am
#33
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I think the banking strategy is something that AA operationally just can't handle, even when the weather is good. Many sunny and beautiful days at MIA and people with a 45-60 minute connection (often to the only flight that night to SA) get screwed while the a/c sits off the tarmac waiting for a gate. Little do these people know they're not going anywhere until the next day and they will be spending either a sleepless night at MIA or have to scrounge for an expensive hotel room. Yes we know you should go for the longer connection but these are the unsuspecting people that think 30 minutes is more than enough time to deplane, go to the bathroom, get refreshments and make it to the gate for their connection.
AA's systems do a lot of this screwing over people, its almost like they want the churn so they can then sell last minute seats as people wait for IRROPs recovery.
Jul 11, 2019, 10:31 am
#34
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Right on cue! Five hours after this post, my SAN-CLT flight (AA1936) was cancelled. The twist though is that the flight was cancelled after we were completely boarded, the pilot came on the PA and informed us that there was a mechanical issue that they were just made aware of and that the flight would be cancelled. The inbound had just arrived from Philly at 9:52PM and we boarded subsequently after for what would've been an on time departure.
The odd part is that leading up to the cancellation, the pilot showed the FA's his phone and said "Look at this," and pulled them into the jetway out of the view of the passengers to discuss. I find it hard to believe that this would be a mechanical issue and something more related to an operational issue (shocker), but I'm only speculating. Anyone with access to EF mind taking a look at this flight for me? Thanks
The odd part is that leading up to the cancellation, the pilot showed the FA's his phone and said "Look at this," and pulled them into the jetway out of the view of the passengers to discuss. I find it hard to believe that this would be a mechanical issue and something more related to an operational issue (shocker), but I'm only speculating. Anyone with access to EF mind taking a look at this flight for me? Thanks
☨DTE CHNG FLT☨ ORIG 10JUL
SAN 1032P T2 29
CLT ☨ B B12 614A
1FX CANCEL SAN -CLT -XOP *0055
7SAN/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P1AA1936SAN10JUL *0139*CRCYMG
Jul 11, 2019, 11:31 am
#35
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AA's systems do a lot of this screwing over people, its almost like they want the churn so they can then sell last minute seats as people wait for IRROPs recovery.
Jul 11, 2019, 12:26 pm
#37
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saunders111
Jul 11, 2019, 1:07 pm
#38
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In June, American Airlines canceled about 4% of its scheduled flights, according to data tracker masFlight. American's canceled flight rate is twice the rate of Southwest (LUV), and is more than six times that of United Airlines (UAL), according to masFlight. It is nearly 20 times the cancellation rate at Delta (DAL).
That 4% doesn't count the 115 cancellations American has made every day because of the 737 Max grounding. Those flights weren't counted because they were already taken off the schedule weeks before the date they were originally scheduled.
Jul 11, 2019, 3:20 pm
#39
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Fort Worth (and the rest of Tarrant county) got it pretty bad. The lightning was wicked.
Jul 11, 2019, 5:49 pm
#41
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Arrggg, I am on this same itinerary in month. Flight #700 to PHL has been hours late everyday for the past month, which will result in me missing the PHL-BCN leg. Coming back BCN-ORD-SFO. Trying to be proactive and printing out alternative routing's there at least.
Jul 11, 2019, 6:27 pm
#42
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Not to keep piling onto AA, but: DL had issued a weather waiver for this storm system 2 days ago because they actually have an in-house Meteorology team unlike AA.
As mentioned upthread, AA really needs to work on their dealing of weather. Thunderstorms are inevitable in the summertime. As a forecaster, I do agree that some weather events are easier to forecast than others, but to get as many people to their destination as quickly as possible should be AA's goal. It may not help with their cancel rate -- they need to care enough to have a more resilient operation.
As mentioned upthread, AA really needs to work on their dealing of weather. Thunderstorms are inevitable in the summertime. As a forecaster, I do agree that some weather events are easier to forecast than others, but to get as many people to their destination as quickly as possible should be AA's goal. It may not help with their cancel rate -- they need to care enough to have a more resilient operation.
Jul 11, 2019, 8:40 pm
#43
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When did AA get rid of their in-house Meteorology team ?
I used to work in the room next door to them at the old operations facility (SOC). They were a sizeable group and right next to the Dispatch floor.
Of course that was years ago, way before the HP takeover. I've never been inside the new facility (IOC) but just assumed it was the same thing, only larger.
I used to work in the room next door to them at the old operations facility (SOC). They were a sizeable group and right next to the Dispatch floor.
Of course that was years ago, way before the HP takeover. I've never been inside the new facility (IOC) but just assumed it was the same thing, only larger.
Jul 11, 2019, 9:12 pm
#44
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When did AA get rid of their in-house Meteorology team ?
I used to work in the room next door to them at the old operations facility (SOC). They were a sizeable group and right next to the Dispatch floor.
Of course that was years ago, way before the HP takeover. I've never been inside the new facility (IOC) but just assumed it was the same thing, only larger.
I used to work in the room next door to them at the old operations facility (SOC). They were a sizeable group and right next to the Dispatch floor.
Of course that was years ago, way before the HP takeover. I've never been inside the new facility (IOC) but just assumed it was the same thing, only larger.
Jul 12, 2019, 9:19 am
#45
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The route has taken a beating since the MAX grounding, and now they are announcing it as suspended because of the MAX, so it's a reasonable inference https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...max-grounding/