Concierge Key event in Dallas 11 Apr 2019...did anyone go?
Apr 18, 2019, 4:35 pm
#76
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Since lower levels will spend more of their time in Y certainly they are impacted more by Oasis. I find using my own device in Y a pain. There's only so much room for my tablet, my phone, and what I'm eating and drinking. A free drink in MCE is a nice touch though, albeit it was started by DL. The next thing I see coming is limiting recline and giving AA the ability to put in even more seats.
My sense is that these CK events are nothing more than high end dog and pony shows.
My sense is that these CK events are nothing more than high end dog and pony shows.
Apr 18, 2019, 6:20 pm
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Ummm... no, you really didn't unless you said it in a different post than the one I read.
What you said, and I quote, was:
If you believe that sentence means "hub-hub Y flying ExPlats are leaving AA" then I don't think the word "disenfranchised" means what you think it means.
Then you said some things about what you might do if AA continues on its current path and that you'd fly "out on AA and return in B6 " which isn't exactly "leaving" AA.
Anyhow, not actually trying to be argumentative, but I've participated in this forum for a good long while and if I had a nickel for every AA EXP in this forum who threatens to leave AA over whatever is their current "last straw" of the month I'd be retired. If I had a nickel for only the ones that actually follow through on that threat, well, I'll be working for a good many more years... I find this particularly true of long time/frequent posters in this AA Forum. I find the people who actually do leave really don't make a lot of hullabaloo about it; no gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothes, no years of posting about it, they just do it and move on.
Best of luck with whatever path you choose.
Regards
What you said, and I quote, was:
If you believe that sentence means "hub-hub Y flying ExPlats are leaving AA" then I don't think the word "disenfranchised" means what you think it means.
Then you said some things about what you might do if AA continues on its current path and that you'd fly "out on AA and return in B6 " which isn't exactly "leaving" AA.
Anyhow, not actually trying to be argumentative, but I've participated in this forum for a good long while and if I had a nickel for every AA EXP in this forum who threatens to leave AA over whatever is their current "last straw" of the month I'd be retired. If I had a nickel for only the ones that actually follow through on that threat, well, I'll be working for a good many more years... I find this particularly true of long time/frequent posters in this AA Forum. I find the people who actually do leave really don't make a lot of hullabaloo about it; no gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothes, no years of posting about it, they just do it and move on.
Best of luck with whatever path you choose.
Regards
Apr 18, 2019, 10:05 pm
#80
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you asserted that I said they weren’t leaving.
that isn’t true. Thank you for quoting me correctly this time. A more accurate response by me would have been “no, what I’m saying is closer to the opposite”.
to clarify what I mean is that I am no longer loyal to American. That doesn’t mean I’m leaving in a fit of pique. I will fly them when they have the best product in my price range. P/E (charged as Y domestically) is an excellent product. A two class 321 can be competitive in the current MCE configuration and I will fly it if the emergency exit seats are available (not including the bogus exit row seats).
The odds of me flying AA will go down on any given day as the fleet becomes Oasified.
And its not what I might do, it’s what I’ve already done. I used to never book away from AA, even if it meant a connection. I’ve flown Jet Blue in the last year, and have tickets on Southwest and will be buying a ticket on Alaska due to better schedules.
no doubt you are correct about prior complaints and threats. However I maintain that the issues with densification is a much bigger issue than award availability or cutting of perks or mileage earning. Time will tell.
that isn’t true. Thank you for quoting me correctly this time. A more accurate response by me would have been “no, what I’m saying is closer to the opposite”.
to clarify what I mean is that I am no longer loyal to American. That doesn’t mean I’m leaving in a fit of pique. I will fly them when they have the best product in my price range. P/E (charged as Y domestically) is an excellent product. A two class 321 can be competitive in the current MCE configuration and I will fly it if the emergency exit seats are available (not including the bogus exit row seats).
The odds of me flying AA will go down on any given day as the fleet becomes Oasified.
And its not what I might do, it’s what I’ve already done. I used to never book away from AA, even if it meant a connection. I’ve flown Jet Blue in the last year, and have tickets on Southwest and will be buying a ticket on Alaska due to better schedules.
no doubt you are correct about prior complaints and threats. However I maintain that the issues with densification is a much bigger issue than award availability or cutting of perks or mileage earning. Time will tell.
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Apr 19, 2019, 1:28 am
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IF @JDiver asserted than, he-- and you-- are completely, 100% incorrect in such assertion as it's simply not true.
Spend alone isn’t what many Keys bring to the table. They’re often arrangers of travel, influencers and higher level representatives of Fortune 500 companies, so it’s about the revenue from their company, etc. AA was early to the table with this - Admirals clubs opened at Idlewild and DCA to host and wow influencers like legislators and high mucks as a way to reach them and advocate for aviation and AA. They were “Admirals of the Flagship fleet”.
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Apr 19, 2019, 6:09 am
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Same pitch, more comfortable seat despite being "pre-reclined", and no cabin divider (a non-exclusive experience just like AA).
Also costing 1/3 to 1/2 price than AA and without taking a connection.
If AA had proper recliners, proper service, proper cabin divider, and a good meal, I'd be inclined to fly AA again / more often on these routes.
Apr 19, 2019, 8:08 am
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Apr 21, 2019, 3:04 am
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Apr 21, 2019, 8:07 am
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Looks like Inc. found this thread and posted and article quoted rowingman's comments extensively. I don't know the rules about linking and how much I need to copy, so maybe someone else can if they know. 😀
Apr 21, 2019, 9:22 am
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American Airlines Is Reportedly Having Second Thoughts About Its Most Hated Planes. Here's the Big Catch by Chris Matyszczyk, Owner, Howard Raucous LLC, PUBLISHED ON: APR 21, 2019 link
One such gathering, hosted by American Airlines, took plane recently in Dallas. Only so-called Concierge Key customers were invited.
Helpfully, an attendee slipped onto the Flyer Talk forums to disclose a little of what American Airlines' executives apparently said in the hallowed confines of this private affair.
Rowingman -- for that is his Flyer Talk handle -- revealed the airline's executives are aware of some passengers' unhappiness, especially the new Oasis configuration in which the airline has tried to stuff as many seats in as possible and graced Economy Class with tiny bathrooms.
It's even reduced the legroom in First Class. Which seems like precisely the sort of the thing that would make a Concierge Key member grind their key ring into their teeth.
One such gathering, hosted by American Airlines, took plane recently in Dallas. Only so-called Concierge Key customers were invited.
Helpfully, an attendee slipped onto the Flyer Talk forums to disclose a little of what American Airlines' executives apparently said in the hallowed confines of this private affair.
Rowingman -- for that is his Flyer Talk handle -- revealed the airline's executives are aware of some passengers' unhappiness, especially the new Oasis configuration in which the airline has tried to stuff as many seats in as possible and graced Economy Class with tiny bathrooms.
It's even reduced the legroom in First Class. Which seems like precisely the sort of the thing that would make a Concierge Key member grind their key ring into their teeth.
Rowingman offered this big news: We talked about the Oasis seats a lot, and there was a wide acknowledgement from AA that they have an issue there, and that it will be addressed. They directly stated that the Oasis conversion has stopped until they 'fix' the seats in First, and that the seat was a miss.