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enviroian Sep 25, 2018 2:29 pm

Clueless passengers. (In flight speaker VOIP call)
 
Sitting in 4A on 2559 to Detroit today. A few minutes after the 10K chime I hear what sounds like someone behind me playing a movie without headphones. A few minutes later I realize this guy is on a voip call and on speaker nonetheless! I turn around and say “”really??” and just continues with his call. I hit the call button and I just motion with my thumb to the guy behind me to her and she has him end the call immediately.

On what planet do you live on that you wouldn’t know this isn’t allowed?

plinth857 Sep 25, 2018 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 30244805)
Sitting in 4A on 2559 to Detroit today. A few minutes after the 10K chime I hear what sounds like someone behind me playing a movie without headphones. A few minutes later I realize this guy is on a voip call and on speaker nonetheless! I turn around and say “”really??” and just continues with his call. I hit the call button and I just motion with my thumb to the guy behind me to her and she has him end the call immediately.

On what planet do you live on that you wouldn’t know this isn’t allowed?

I'm sure he was a very important person so the rules wouldn't apply to him.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 25, 2018 2:36 pm

Fly enough and you will realize just how dumb the human race has become. Some of the worst offenders can be found in the F cabins or the ACs. Its in no way specific to AA. My favorite are the F paxs that stand in the middle of the aisle during boarding or deplaning going through their belongings holding up 150+ plus people.

rickg523 Sep 25, 2018 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge (Post 30244836)
Fly enough and you will realize just how dumb the human race has become. Some of the worst offenders can be found in the F cabins or the ACs. Its in no way specific to AA. My favorite are the F paxs that stand in the middle of the aisle during boarding or deplaning going through their belongings holding up 150+ plus people.

Especially since they just spent two hours in the lounge where they could have arranged themselves conveniently.
In fact, I think with these sorts it's the fact of inconveniencing others that appeals to them and drives their obnoxious behavior

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 25, 2018 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30244848)
Especially since they just spent two hours in the lounge where they could have arranged themselves conveniently.
In fact, I think with these sorts it's the fact of inconveniencing others that appeals to them and drives their obnoxious behavior

Or the sense they can say to the world "look at me, I fly first class and you don't."

masamune Sep 25, 2018 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30244848)
Especially since they just spent two hours in the lounge where they could have arranged themselves conveniently.
In fact, I think with these sorts it's the fact of inconveniencing others that appeals to them and drives their obnoxious behavior

I have never really understood this either. You've been standing inside the terminal for several minutes waiting to board and then choose the most narrow, confined space to start fishing out headphones and other gadgets all the while blocking everyone else from boarding. If that's how poorly planned you run your life, I would hate to be the client of these people with no foresight.

infinite97 Sep 25, 2018 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by masamune (Post 30244958)
I have never really understood this either. You've been standing inside the terminal for several minutes waiting to board and then choose the most narrow, confined space to start fishing out headphones and other gadgets all the while blocking everyone else from boarding. If that's how poorly planned you run your life, I would hate to be the client of these people with no foresight.

same thing for me with people who rush onto the plane only to push their way back to the front to use the tiny little bathroom. Really???

wetrat0 Sep 25, 2018 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by infinite97 (Post 30245201)
same thing for me with people who rush onto the plane only to push their way back to the front to use the tiny little bathroom. Really???

At least there's a potentially plausible explanation for this (short connection with no time for bathroom).

enpremiere Sep 25, 2018 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by wetrat0 (Post 30245213)
At least there's a potentially plausible explanation for this (short connection with no time for bathroom).

Or my favorite, to check if the 737-MAX bathroom is really as small as they say it is. Sometimes you just can’t wait until 10K to find out.

radiowell Sep 25, 2018 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge (Post 30244836)
Fly enough and you will realize just how dumb the human race has become. Some of the worst offenders can be found in the F cabins or the ACs. Its in no way specific to AA. My favorite are the F paxs that stand in the middle of the aisle during boarding or deplaning going through their belongings holding up 150+ plus people.


Originally Posted by masamune (Post 30244958)
I have never really understood this either. You've been standing inside the terminal for several minutes waiting to board and then choose the most narrow, confined space to start fishing out headphones and other gadgets all the while blocking everyone else from boarding. If that's how poorly planned you run your life, I would hate to be the client of these people with no foresight.

The ones worse than them are those who stand up multiple times to get their stuff out of their bag. C'mon, man. Yes, I've seen them in F, many times :mad:

milgom Sep 26, 2018 1:35 am


Originally Posted by radiowell (Post 30245708)
The ones worse than them are those who stand up multiple times to get their stuff out of their bag. C'mon, man. Yes, I've seen them in F, many times :mad:

I am guilty of that when transiting and being sleep deprived. Never on the first flight though.

IADCAflyer Sep 26, 2018 4:17 am

Look at the bright side: at least the wifi speed was good enough for a VoIP call.

enviroian Sep 26, 2018 5:14 am


Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 30246895)
Look at the bright side: at least the wifi speed was good enough for a VoIP call.

FWIW it was AA Inflight, not GoGo.

JetAway Sep 26, 2018 5:43 am

I especially enjoy it when they are loudly discussing obviously confidential or proprietary information.

Often1 Sep 26, 2018 5:50 am


Originally Posted by JetAway (Post 30247075)
I especially enjoy it when they are loudly discussing obviously confidential or proprietary information.

The entire issue of making business-related calls from any location where one may be overheard suggests poor operational security by the business. Any place which does not explicitly prohibit this conduct by its employees deserves to lose its clients / customers and further puts itself at real legal liability risk in the event of a data breach or loss of trade secret information.

There are very few people who have jobs so sensitive that they cannot be out of touch by voice comms for a few hours and those very few people generally fly private aircraft with secure comms for that reason.

It is a sign of poor organization, self-importance and poor client / customer service.

razzaba Sep 26, 2018 6:27 am


Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 30246895)
Look at the bright side: at least the wifi speed was good enough for a VoIP call.

I would never do this just because of the simple fact that it is rude. I try to abide by the “if I wouldn’t want the guy next to me doing XYZ, then I probably shouldn’t do it either” mantra.

However it got me thinking, is this against any sort of published rule? I know I have seen a message about not streaming Netflix etc when logging in to GoGo on a flight, but don’t recall seeing anything about Skype/VOIP calls, etc.

ibrandsguest Sep 26, 2018 6:32 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 30244805)
Sitting in 4A on 2559 to Detroit today. A few minutes after the 10K chime I hear what sounds like someone behind me playing a movie without headphones. A few minutes later I realize this guy is on a voip call and on speaker nonetheless! I turn around and say “”really??” and just continues with his call. I hit the call button and I just motion with my thumb to the guy behind me to her and she has him end the call immediately.

On what planet do you live on that you wouldn’t know this isn’t allowed?

Must be the guy who did the same thing in the LGA Admirals Club a few months ago.

fotographer Sep 26, 2018 6:36 am

No one is that important to have to make a call during flight
If its that urgent, then take a later flight


Not related, but I use to enjoy taking the trains in India, because it offers great views of the country side
stopped after I found most of the passengers on the train (6.00am ) departure on their phones for the entire journey, and I mean entire journey

chitownjeff Sep 26, 2018 8:26 am

I've seen a lot of business people (mostly going between DFW and ORD) do speaker phone calls while waiting to board.

I like to walk over and make it obvious that I'm listening in. Most of the time they will walk away or fish out their headphones.

Almost as annoying as people who walk the wrong way in terminals (we drive on the right and most people know to walk that way too) or who walk slowly on the left and get in folks ways that have tight connections.

reeg2 Sep 26, 2018 8:31 am

How did you hear the guy through your noise-canceling headphones that you put on immediately upon boarding?
Wait - everyone doesn't do that?

Jaimito Cartero Sep 26, 2018 8:33 am


Originally Posted by fotographer (Post 30247240)
Not related, but I use to enjoy taking the trains in India, because it offers great views of the country side
stopped after I found most of the passengers on the train (6.00am ) departure on their phones for the entire journey, and I mean entire journey

The phone usage removes the great views?

Science Goy Sep 26, 2018 8:35 am


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 30247651)
The phone usage removes the great views?


Pretty clear he meant it reduces his enjoyment (as in, "I used to enjoy..."), but you know that.

arc727 Sep 26, 2018 9:04 am


Originally Posted by reeg2 (Post 30247641)
How did you hear the guy through your noise-canceling headphones that you put on immediately upon boarding?
Wait - everyone doesn't do that?

But, but the world’s greatest flyers fly American. :D

PHL Sep 26, 2018 11:26 am

Unless the wifi providers block the network ports used for various VOIP services (Skype, WhatsApp, FaceTime, etc.), we can expect to see more of this as the high speed internet services become more common.

I admit I've done a VOIP call or two using Apple FaceTime Audio, but I stepped into the galley and was very discrete. The FA looked at me weird and went about her business...

SeeBuyFly Sep 26, 2018 11:32 am


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 30248401)
I admit I've done a VOIP call or two using Apple FaceTime Audio, but I stepped into the galley and was very discrete.

As long as you don't do it continuously...sorry, bad joke.

enpremiere Sep 26, 2018 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by radiowell (Post 30245708)
The ones worse than them are those who stand up multiple times to get their stuff out of their bag. C'mon, man. Yes, I've seen them in F, many times :mad:

A legitimate explanation (at least for the first time) could be a last minute battlefield upgrade and an unexpected bulkhead seat. I’ve been featured in this scenario and invariably I’ve forgotten something topside but if I don’t stow right away I’ll lose the space above the bulkhead seats.

TAPAL10 Sep 26, 2018 1:22 pm

I also love the ones who use the speaker phone while onboard during the boarding process. And, of course, the guy who watches videos or listens to music on his phone/computer without headphones. Like the plane environment isn't loud enough. Yup, usually in F.

mvoight Sep 26, 2018 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by masamune (Post 30244958)
I have never really understood this either. You've been standing inside the terminal for several minutes waiting to board and then choose the most narrow, confined space to start fishing out headphones and other gadgets all the while blocking everyone else from boarding. If that's how poorly planned you run your life, I would hate to be the client of these people with no foresight.

I'd rather they stop and fish out headphones, rather than play whatever they are going to play without them. Parents seem to be offenders on this, allowing their children to watch videos and play games without headphones. Additionally, often passengers think we want to listen to their music. Why do FA's ignore these people, and let them do this? The rules are straightforward. If you are going to play any audio, AA requires earphones.

jordyn Sep 26, 2018 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by TAPAL10 (Post 30249042)
I also love the ones who use the speaker phone while onboard during the boarding process. And, of course, the guy who watches videos or listens to music on his phone/computer without headphones. Like the plane environment isn't loud enough. Yup, usually in F.

I've started carrying around the free headphones they hand out on planes and handing them to these people.

jonsg Sep 26, 2018 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 30247092)
The entire issue of making business-related calls from any location where one may be overheard suggests poor operational security by the business.

There have been two incidents to date where I've made detailed notes of the confidential information brayed by some self-important yahoo - and placed a call to a very senior in the company they so-loudly identified, describing the person and reciting the notes I'd made. This has been received with thanks.

I don't charge for the service.

wrp96 Sep 26, 2018 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by TAPAL10 (Post 30249042)
I also love the ones who use the speaker phone while onboard during the boarding process.

My personal favorite was the mom who felt the need to call her son's orthodontist on speakerphone during boarding. Including details of his treatment.

Annalisa12 Sep 26, 2018 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 30244805)
Sitting in 4A on 2559 to Detroit today. A few minutes after the 10K chime I hear what sounds like someone behind me playing a movie without headphones. A few minutes later I realize this guy is on a voip call and on speaker nonetheless! I turn around and say “”really??” and just continues with his call. I hit the call button and I just motion with my thumb to the guy behind me to her and she has him end the call immediately.

On what planet do you live on that you wouldn’t know this isn’t allowed?

I dont know that.

I dont know what a 10k chime is either.

rickg523 Sep 26, 2018 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by jonsg (Post 30249338)
There have been two incidents to date where I've made detailed notes of the confidential information brayed by some self-important yahoo - and placed a call to a very senior in the company they so-loudly identified, describing the person and reciting the notes I'd made. This has been received with thanks.

I don't charge for the service.

A while back, after hearing entirely too much proprietary information in airports, I printed up little cards that said:
I CAN HEAR YOUR ENTIRE CALL.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I WORK.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I KNOW.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT ME TO HEAR THIS CALL?
It worked like a charm, mostly. Though I wish I'd gone the extra mile like you have for the one or two who tossed it on the floor and continued sharing their business with me.

enviroian Sep 26, 2018 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by jonsg (Post 30249338)
There have been two incidents to date where I've made detailed notes of the confidential information brayed by some self-important yahoo - and placed a call to a very senior in the company they so-loudly identified, describing the person and reciting the notes I'd made. This has been received with thanks.

I don't charge for the service.

A little over the top, no?

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 26, 2018 2:42 pm

Actually if you know the competitor you should make a fake call like you work for the competitor. Hi Jane, its Bill. My seatmate works for ABC and he told the entire plane they are pursuing XYC for new business so call sales immediately and get them on the phone. See if we can offer them a lower price.

mvoight Sep 26, 2018 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 30249361)
I dont know that.

I dont know what a 10k chime is either.

At 10K, there is an electronic 'ding".. This is when WIFI is supposed to be available.
It is the same "chime" you hear when you are permitted to get out of your seat after landing when the plane is parked at the gate

ijgordon Sep 26, 2018 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by fotographer (Post 30247240)
No one is that important to have to make a call during flight
If its that urgent, then take a later flight

That's just silly. Who are you to judge the relative importance of either the person or the topic of the call?

Frankly, if it's done discreetly (i.e., no louder than an acceptable conversation level between two seatmates), who cares?

Dr. HFH Sep 26, 2018 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by jonsg (Post 30249338)
There have been two incidents to date where I've made detailed notes of the confidential information brayed by some self-important yahoo - and placed a call to a very senior in the company they so-loudly identified, describing the person and reciting the notes I'd made. This has been received with thanks.

I don't charge for the service.


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 30249371)
A little over the top, no?

No. I have a friend who is in the consulting business. Many years ago (before cell phones) he was flying out to do a sales presentation to a prospective client. He was in an aisle seat. In the next row forward, in the opposite aisle seat, there was his only competitor for the business, reviewing his presentation and the terms on his laptop. My friend knew exactly what his competitor was going to propose before he went in.

LINDEGR Sep 26, 2018 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by razzaba (Post 30247206)
I know I have seen a message about not streaming Netflix etc when logging in to GoGo on a flight, but don’t recall seeing anything about Skype/VOIP calls, etc.

It is not a message saying please do not do it. Instead, Netflx is blocked. They should so the same with calls, if possible.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Sep 26, 2018 3:55 pm

Where I would I we have a strict policy of not doing client work in any public area. Fine by me I’d rather watch a movie.


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