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Old Jul 2, 2018, 8:26 am
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Speculation on new domestic flat-bed AA routes

A number of other carriers (i.e. JetBlue, Delta) now offer flat-bed service on routes aside from JFK-SFO/LAX. I have heard that AA is thinking of outfitting old 757s for domestic routes with flat-bed service. Any speculation on which routes they might start offering this from? I am interested in JFK-LAS, which has beds on Delta/JetBlue but not with AA.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by lewis_saint
A number of other carriers (i.e. JetBlue, Delta) now offer flat-bed service on routes aside from JFK-SFO/LAX. I have heard that AA is thinking of outfitting old 757s for domestic routes with flat-bed service. Any speculation on which routes they might start offering this from? I am interested in JFK-LAS, which has beds on Delta/JetBlue but not with AA.
There will be no outfitting of old 757s with flat beds. The 75Ls already have flat beds. The question is if/when they’ll put them on transcon routes.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by lewis_saint
I have heard that AA is thinking of outfitting old 757s for domestic routes with flat-bed service.
Where, may I ask? It seems pretty implausible to me.

The A321Ts are a very premium config that would be tough to justify but on a very few domestic routes.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 9:42 am
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Where, may I ask?
See here and here.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
Where, may I ask? It seems pretty implausible to me.

The A321Ts are a very premium config that would be tough to justify but on a very few domestic routes.
The 75Ls already have flat beds. These may be deployed domestically, AA has stated they are looking at it.

The 321T isn't in the works to be deployed elsewhere. Atleast not that I have read/seen.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 10:38 am
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There is more discussion of this here
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by lewis_saint
JFK-LAS
The chances AA puts flat beds on JFK-LAS in the near term is zero IMO.

If this happens, the routes that will get it are probably LAX-BOS/DCA, JFK-SAN/SEA, and maybe MIA-LAX if they have frames to spare.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by DWFI
The chances AA puts flat beds on JFK-LAS in the near term is zero IMO.

If this happens, the routes that will get it are probably BOS-LAX, JFK-SAN/SEA, and maybe MIA-LAX if they have frames to spare.
Thanks for the feedback. Your assumption seems sound. Ah well!
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 11:28 am
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it would be nice to get a layflat on some of the longer redeye flights out of SFO
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by DWFI
The chances AA puts flat beds on JFK-LAS in the near term is zero IMO.

If this happens, the routes that will get it are probably LAX-BOS/DCA, JFK-SAN/SEA, and maybe MIA-LAX if they have frames to spare.
If LAX-DCA means anything, it is much more likely AA puts a 737-MAX config on those routes than a 75L.
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I think they should put some of the layflat equipment on their PHX-Hawaii routes.
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Originally Posted by Austin787
If LAX-DCA means anything, it is much more likely AA puts a 737-MAX config on those routes than a 75L.
AA already has the MAX scheduled on DCA-LAX.

But I think they are feeling yield weakness in the front cabin from DL's Delta One service and it would be a good contender.

vs LAX/SFO/SEA-PHL/CLT are fortress routes that likely won't be seeing lie flats anytime soon with the exception of the sparse widebody service to feed TATL (i.e. the winter A332 PHL-SFO/LAX services, once daily). That's why I think LAX-MIA is also unlikely - the money is there, but absent any competition (and I'm not sure B6 2x daily LAXFLL constitutes real competition), AA probably won't bother).
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 4:16 pm
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That's why I think LAX-MIA is also unlikely - the money is there, but absent any competition (and I'm not sure B6 2x daily LAXFLL constitutes real competition), AA probably won't bother).
FWIW, the once-daily B772 on this route seems to have enough lie-flat capacity to satisfy the demand.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by lewis_saint
A number of other carriers (i.e. JetBlue, Delta) now offer flat-bed service on routes aside from JFK-SFO/LAX. I have heard that AA is thinking of outfitting old 757s for domestic routes with flat-bed service. Any speculation on which routes they might start offering this from? I am interested in JFK-LAS, which has beds on Delta/JetBlue but not with AA.
EWR-LAS also has 2 flights a day with flat beds. It started when Mint was announced.
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Old Jul 2, 2018, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by DWFI
AA already has the MAX scheduled on DCA-LAX.

But I think they are feeling yield weakness in the front cabin from DL's Delta One service and it would be a good contender.

vs LAX/SFO/SEA-PHL/CLT are fortress routes that likely won't be seeing lie flats anytime soon with the exception of the sparse widebody service to feed TATL (i.e. the winter A332 PHL-SFO/LAX services, once daily). That's why I think LAX-MIA is also unlikely - the money is there, but absent any competition (and I'm not sure B6 2x daily LAXFLL constitutes real competition), AA probably won't bother).
PHL-LAX/SFO have both pretty much had a daily wide body for the past 4 and 7 months respectively. Hardly sparse.
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