AA (& UA) negotiating move to new ORD “Global” terminal > 2024
Feb 26, 2018, 8:30 am
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AA (& UA) negotiating move to new ORD “Global” terminal > 2024
Chicago, airlines nearing $8.5 billion deal to dramatically expand O'Hare - Chicago Tribune
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
Last edited by JDiver; Feb 26, 2018 at 10:13 am Reason: Clarify headline
Feb 26, 2018, 8:52 am
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As I understand it the new terminal is for international flights and AA domestic will stay in T3. It will mean that you can make connections by walking air side and aircraft will not have to be towed across from T5. Similarly UA domestic will stay in T1 with international in the new terminal.
Feb 26, 2018, 8:58 am
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Chicago, airlines nearing $8.5 billion deal to dramatically expand O'Hare - Chicago Tribune
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
Feb 26, 2018, 9:22 am
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Here's what it'll eventually look like:
Looks like a building is getting demolished to turn the 5 new gates in the L concourse into 8 with a wraparound.
Hopefully with Alaska's codeshares on AA out of ORD, they continue to sublease gates from AA instead of moving to LCC land at the end of T5.
Looks like a building is getting demolished to turn the 5 new gates in the L concourse into 8 with a wraparound.
Hopefully with Alaska's codeshares on AA out of ORD, they continue to sublease gates from AA instead of moving to LCC land at the end of T5.
Feb 26, 2018, 9:35 am
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Chicago, airlines nearing $8.5 billion deal to dramatically expand O'Hare - Chicago Tribune
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
Highlights:
Deal close for new $8.5B terminal to replace the old Terminal 2 to be shared by AA & UA
Net increase of 35 gates (speculated to be grabbed by AA & UA)
150 foot wide concourses and 3.1M sq/ft of new terminal space
Customs/ Immigration
50,000 sq/ft lounge for each
8 years of construction to look forward to
This is a very interesting article describing the history of expansion recommendations and the power UA/AA held over the authority.
Feb 26, 2018, 9:54 am
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As someone who's home airport is O'Hare (and, on occasion, Midway), I'll be very happy to see this happening, even if it will turn O'Hare into a giant Charlie-foxtrot while they're building the new Terminal 2. I don't frequent the United side, but the American gates are in desperate need of updating and more space (not to mention the fun of "they didn't clean, provision, and tow the plane over from Terminal 5 in time" delays on widebody flights).
Feb 26, 2018, 10:11 am
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If the negotiations conclude as hoped, it eliminates the T3 <—-> T-5 trek. Let us hope ORD becomes the third Airport to offer ITI baggage through-checking (as currently offered in DFW, MIA) so AA, AY, BA, CX, IB, QR and other interline partners could offer ITI from Asia, Europe or Middle East onward to S. America, etc. (Even better would be airside flight connections separate from immigration, but that almost seems too much to hope, like AA declining to through check on separate ticketing.)
Airport construction being what it is, 2030?
Airport construction being what it is, 2030?
United and American, for example, would be located in the Global Terminal with major international partners Lufthansa, All Nippon Airways, British Airways and Japan Airlines. Some “spoke” carriers like Delta, for example, would relocate to what’s now international Terminal 5, where customers easily could connect to KLM, Air France, Korean Air and Aeromexico.
“The non-hub airlines get their own space in Terminal 5, their own entrance, their own hotel, more club room, more paid space, they will be closer to the city. They love that,” said a source familiar with the negotiations who was not authorized to speak about them publicly. “And American and United essentially get a better internationally connecting complex, because to send passengers over to or from Terminal 5 is a pain in the .... Nobody likes that.
“The non-hub airlines get their own space in Terminal 5, their own entrance, their own hotel, more club room, more paid space, they will be closer to the city. They love that,” said a source familiar with the negotiations who was not authorized to speak about them publicly. “And American and United essentially get a better internationally connecting complex, because to send passengers over to or from Terminal 5 is a pain in the .... Nobody likes that.
Feb 26, 2018, 12:57 pm
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Assuming this doesn't fall through, and doesn't appear it will as UA and AA have agreed, I think this is a win for ORD. I agree with JD about how it would be nice if there could be the possibility of an ITI connection without having to do the current dance. From the looks of the design, it could be possible if allowed. I would expect a secondary security screening to take place, but that beats also having to go through the border as well.
Also the connection times look to improve as well, which is always a good thing. Now if they can actually learn from other large airports what NOT to do for border/customs processing, they could certainly make it a much more competitive choice for INTL travel. The technology and ideas are there if they would simply choose to be innovative to the process.
Also the connection times look to improve as well, which is always a good thing. Now if they can actually learn from other large airports what NOT to do for border/customs processing, they could certainly make it a much more competitive choice for INTL travel. The technology and ideas are there if they would simply choose to be innovative to the process.
Feb 26, 2018, 1:03 pm
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Yes, surely this could be considered if aspiring to be a truly global hub. It would be nice not to have to warn my unsuspecting Mexico-bound EU colleagues to avoid routings via the US.
Feb 26, 2018, 1:06 pm
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Feb 26, 2018, 2:14 pm
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I'm fairly certain your government would not permit a flight connection without immigration; I've never transited anywhere that didn't have at least a cursory immigration check in transit; and we don't have it anywhere up here either (though it's pretty much a wave and welcome to Canada type of check). They could setup a dedicated flight connections immigration check though, that seems to help a lot.
Feb 26, 2018, 3:22 pm
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I'm fairly certain your government would not permit a flight connection without immigration; I've never transited anywhere that didn't have at least a cursory immigration check in transit; and we don't have it anywhere up here either (though it's pretty much a wave and welcome to Canada type of check). They could setup a dedicated flight connections immigration check though, that seems to help a lot.
Feb 26, 2018, 3:24 pm
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If the negotiations conclude as hoped, it eliminates the T3 <—-> T-5 trek. Let us hope ORD becomes the third Airport to offer ITI baggage through-checking (as currently offered in DFW, MIA) so AA, AY, BA, CX, IB, QR and other interline partners could offer ITI from Asia, Europe or Middle East onward to S. America, etc. (Even better would be airside flight connections separate from immigration, but that almost seems too much to hope, like AA declining to through check on separate ticketing.)
Airport construction being what it is, 2030?
Airport construction being what it is, 2030?
I'm fairly certain your government would not permit a flight connection without immigration; I've never transited anywhere that didn't have at least a cursory immigration check in transit; and we don't have it anywhere up here either (though it's pretty much a wave and welcome to Canada type of check). They could setup a dedicated flight connections immigration check though, that seems to help a lot.