As AA Moves Boeing 767s to PHL, CLT Could Gain Europe Flights
Oct 3, 2017, 8:57 am
#16
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(1) By the end of this month, there will be no widebody aircraft in American's fleet with angle-flat seats. All widebodies, including all remaining 767s, will have lie-flat seats.
(2) Just because AA is thinking of basing some 767s near-term at PHL, does NOT mean that usual A330 routes like DUB will be flown with them. Basing 767s at PHL≠767s will be the exclusive widebody aircraft at PHL.
AA will be upgauging some routes, using 767s to prospect some new routes, etc. Routes that need the range, payload, or passenger capacity would likely not just switch to the 767. Whatever wishful thinking the wuthor if this article is engaged in, nothing in AA's plans suggest pulling A330s from PHL (except for the A333s which are returning to their lessor) and sending them to CLT.
(2) Just because AA is thinking of basing some 767s near-term at PHL, does NOT mean that usual A330 routes like DUB will be flown with them. Basing 767s at PHL≠767s will be the exclusive widebody aircraft at PHL.
AA will be upgauging some routes, using 767s to prospect some new routes, etc. Routes that need the range, payload, or passenger capacity would likely not just switch to the 767. Whatever wishful thinking the wuthor if this article is engaged in, nothing in AA's plans suggest pulling A330s from PHL (except for the A333s which are returning to their lessor) and sending them to CLT.
For CLT, realistically, I can see a year round extension to DUB and MAD, potentially CDG; as for new routes, that are realistic, I can see Manchester. Munich could be in the cards if Lufthansa pulls out of CLT.
Oct 3, 2017, 10:27 am
#18
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I'm not too sure that it is wishful thinking, the VP of rote planning said it to the author and it appears to be backed up by a Philly bus journal article. Plus its what I've been hearing more of recently.
For CLT, realistically, I can see a year round extension to DUB and MAD, potentially CDG; as for new routes, that are realistic, I can see Manchester. Munich could be in the cards if Lufthansa pulls out of CLT.
For CLT, realistically, I can see a year round extension to DUB and MAD, potentially CDG; as for new routes, that are realistic, I can see Manchester. Munich could be in the cards if Lufthansa pulls out of CLT.
Oct 3, 2017, 2:14 pm
#19
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I'm not too sure that it is wishful thinking, the VP of rote planning said it to the author and it appears to be backed up by a Philly bus journal article. Plus its what I've been hearing more of recently.
For CLT, realistically, I can see a year round extension to DUB and MAD, potentially CDG; as for new routes, that are realistic, I can see Manchester. Munich could be in the cards if Lufthansa pulls out of CLT.
For CLT, realistically, I can see a year round extension to DUB and MAD, potentially CDG; as for new routes, that are realistic, I can see Manchester. Munich could be in the cards if Lufthansa pulls out of CLT.
I'd be curious to know which routes would actually be viable candidates for 767s to replace 332s and 333s...Same J capacity as the 333, more than the 332, less overall capacity by a significant margin than either of them.
The thing that struck me in this article and the other from the Philly Business Journal was the idea that PHL seems to have a cost structure when, combined with a base of 767s with smaller capacity and still-adequate range, allows AA to try out some routes with less risk than at other hubs. That suggests to me that AA isn't going to be launching new markets for the airline from CLT, even if they increase frequencies. But, I literally know nothing.
That said, the question of flat beds on the fleet is moot, because every widebody has them now.
Oct 3, 2017, 6:26 pm
#22
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Wishful thinking was too strong a term. I take the VP of route planning at his word about shifting some A330 flying from PHL to CLT (with some increased capacity to key OW hubs, potentially) as AA consolidates its 767s at PHL and MIA. My main point in my response was that it does not mean 767s are going to replace every A330 route from Philadelphia, especially on the routes that need the capacity (unless they replace LHR or other routes with one of the 772 versions, both of which have more J seats than the 333 but not its overall capacity).
I'd be curious to know which routes would actually be viable candidates for 767s to replace 332s and 333s...Same J capacity as the 333, more than the 332, less overall capacity by a significant margin than either of them.
The thing that struck me in this article and the other from the Philly Business Journal was the idea that PHL seems to have a cost structure when, combined with a base of 767s with smaller capacity and still-adequate range, allows AA to try out some routes with less risk than at other hubs. That suggests to me that AA isn't going to be launching new markets for the airline from CLT, even if they increase frequencies. But, I literally know nothing.
That said, the question of flat beds on the fleet is moot, because every widebody has them now.
I'd be curious to know which routes would actually be viable candidates for 767s to replace 332s and 333s...Same J capacity as the 333, more than the 332, less overall capacity by a significant margin than either of them.
The thing that struck me in this article and the other from the Philly Business Journal was the idea that PHL seems to have a cost structure when, combined with a base of 767s with smaller capacity and still-adequate range, allows AA to try out some routes with less risk than at other hubs. That suggests to me that AA isn't going to be launching new markets for the airline from CLT, even if they increase frequencies. But, I literally know nothing.
That said, the question of flat beds on the fleet is moot, because every widebody has them now.
Oct 3, 2017, 6:32 pm
#23
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The article clearly stated that while the a330 fleet might not be based at phl but would continue to fly from phl. Bottom line I think CLT might gain mad and dub flights year round but I think CLT might lose fco Bcn and paris once the 333 fleet is retired.The 767's will allow aa to open new markets not necessarily replace existing 330 markets.
Oct 8, 2017, 2:51 am
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