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-   -   Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1861355-speculation-will-aa-continue-pull-back-nyc.html)

ijgordon Apr 30, 2019 7:51 am
Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 31049991)
Wonderful.......why does AA love gates via buses? UGH :/
Don't go to Europe...

AANYC1981 Jun 26, 2019 11:54 am
A little love for NYC:

https://onemileatatime.com/new-ameri...latin-america/

American is adding the following routes from New York JFK:
  • A new daily flight between New York JFK and Montego Bay, Jamaica as of November 21, 2019
  • A new daily flight between New York JFK and San Jose, Costa Rica, as of November 21, 2019
  • A new once weekly flight (Saturdays only) between New York JFK and Liberia, Costa Rica, as of December 21, 2019
These routes will all be operated by Boeing 737-800s.

C17PSGR Jun 26, 2019 12:04 pm
Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 31242251)
Used to love all those JFK to Caribbean flights ...can't believe they weren't profitable,

Does an E175 have the range to go from JFK to the Caribbean?

jacca83 Jun 26, 2019 12:11 pm
Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 31242251)
Now if only we could get San Juan back.

econometrics Jun 26, 2019 12:49 pm
Additional DFW-SJU is nice... but the return flight... whoa. 2:30am departure and 6am landing. Brutal.

stewlevine Jun 26, 2019 1:56 pm
Originally Posted by econometrics (Post 31242433)
Additional DFW-SJU is nice... but the return flight... whoa. 2:30am departure and 6am landing. Brutal.
I actually think that makes a lot of sense if the goal is to link up with the early morning bank of flights out of DFW north or westbound. I can’t imagine there is enough O&D traffic to make the 2nd flight work.

GetSetJetSet Jun 26, 2019 2:55 pm
Would be THRILLED with more Carib flights and at least some Asia flights. At least the Euro partners earn 2x EQM in J, would be great if Cathay did as well.

Long Train Runnin Jun 26, 2019 8:29 pm
Originally Posted by C17PSGR (Post 31242283)
Used to love all those JFK to Caribbean flights ...can't believe they weren't profitable,

Does an E175 have the range to go from JFK to the Caribbean?
I agree more Caribbean service from JFK is a win.

I just worry that JetBlue has eaten their lunch and owns the NYC-Islands market over in T5. Even on the premium side some islands now have year round Mint service vs the 737-800.

GlobalMatt Jun 26, 2019 10:13 pm
Originally Posted by econometrics (Post 31242433)
Additional DFW-SJU is nice... but the return flight... whoa. 2:30am departure and 6am landing. Brutal.
Brutal is right. We just tried booking DFW to PUJ and the flight times were horrendous like in your example, or were 3x the cost for a normal time/not a crazy layover, etc. We ended up booking a flight to MIA, laying over for a few days to see the in-laws, and then onto PUJ and back to DFW and the flights dropped from $4k to about $1600.

econometrics Jun 27, 2019 9:15 am
Right? What do you even do with a 2:30am departure? I have a hard enough time staying awake / active for 11p-ish departures when I fly home from Africa or TLV.

This is why avoid connecting in the deep Middle East / Gulf. Those early AM / middle of the night departures are just r-o-u-g-h.

GUWonder Jun 27, 2019 10:03 am
Originally Posted by Long Train Runnin (Post 31243742)
I agree more Caribbean service from JFK is a win.

I just worry that JetBlue has eaten their lunch and owns the NYC-Islands market over in T5. Even on the premium side some islands now have year round Mint service vs the 737-800.
AA used to own JFK, but AA has ended up with JFK and JFK’s warmer climate traffic being owned by Delta and JetBlue.

Before AA had publicly announced the billion bucks it was going to spend to build up what is now T8, I had assumed AA was going to keep owning JFK. After it finished the T8 build, I kept assuming the same. I couldn’t have ended up being more wrong on that. But back then I wouldn’t have expected Parker to be taking over AA.

AA@JFK is a casualty of Parker. Delta and JetBlue should be thankful for what Parker has done for them at JFK.

GunsOfNavarone Jun 27, 2019 4:49 pm
Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 31245620)


AA used to own JFK, but AA has ended up with JFK and JFK’s warmer climate traffic being owned by Delta and JetBlue.

Before AA had publicly announced the billion bucks it was going to spend to build up what is now T8, I had assumed AA was going to keep owning JFK. After it finished the T8 build, I kept assuming the same. I couldn’t have ended up being more wrong on that. But back then I wouldn’t have expected Parker to be taking over AA.

AA@JFK is a casualty of Parker. Delta and JetBlue should be thankful for what Parker has done for them at JFK.

You are very right, I am sure United is thrilled with what Chairman Parker has done (ran away) at ORD. I sense LAX is not to far behind what has happened at JFK and ORD, expect PHX to be the west coast center of gravity of AA if Chairman Parker stays in control and AA is not forced into reorganization. With AA not making money except in selling miles to Citibank- Chairman Parker will continue to shift center of gravity operations from big markets with big costs and big competition to markets with smaller costs and less competition.... and while increasing aircraft seating density... that is what is in AA's future under Chairman Parker.

bse118 Jun 27, 2019 5:11 pm
Originally Posted by GunsOfNavarone (Post 31246871)
I sense LAX is not to far behind what has happened at JFK and ORD, expect PHX to be the west coast center of gravity of AA if Chairman Parker stays in control and AA is not forced into reorganization...
AA abandoning LAX and building up PHX as an international gateway is only slightly more ridiculous of an idea as when you suggested AA is going to imminently close the ORD flagship lounge.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...ounge-ord.html

Give it a rest.

GunsOfNavarone Jun 27, 2019 5:22 pm
Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 31246929)
AA abandoning LAX and building up PHX as an international gateway is only slightly more ridiculous of an idea as when you suggested AA is going to imminently close the ORD flagship lounge.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...ounge-ord.html

Give it a rest.
BSE, in your case enjoy flying AA out of DEN as long as you can. Flying AA out of a United and Frontier hub offers you a lot of upgrades not afforded to PAX based out of AA hubs. I feel like a king flying AA now based out of SLC flying with a great upgrade and customer service percentage, thanks to SLC being a Delta hub. Something I likely would not be experiencing if I was home based out of DFW,ORD, CLT, etc.

My recommendation to you- fully exploit your AA relationship as fully as you can- I can see a lot of United, Frontier, and Southwest in your not so near future....if you stay DEN based.

And I fully stand behind the post about the likeliness of AA closing its ORD flagship lounge in the next decade, which is not so far away.

GunsOfNavarone Jun 27, 2019 5:27 pm
Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 31246929)
AA abandoning LAX and building up PHX as an international gateway is only slightly more ridiculous of an idea as when you suggested AA is going to imminently close the ORD flagship lounge.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...ounge-ord.html

Give it a rest.
Yes, about as ridiculous as LCC's Chairman Parker buying American Airline on February 14, 2013.


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