1688 SAN - DFW crew timed out during departure taxi (to merge)
Mar 21, 2017, 2:32 pm
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1688 SAN - DFW crew timed out during departure taxi (to merge)
1688 SAN to DFW, we were late pushing back, then the captain came on as we got to the end of the runway and said 'the cabin went illegal'.
back at the gate waiting for a new crew, AA's text said we leave at 1.30, it's 1.30 now.
FAs are in sgt Schultz mode, they know nothing.
back at the gate waiting for a new crew, AA's text said we leave at 1.30, it's 1.30 now.
FAs are in sgt Schultz mode, they know nothing.
Mar 21, 2017, 2:45 pm
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I was on a ORD-DFW flight, late one night a few years back. Lines of storms running through ORD, we boarded and they closed the door three hours before we ended up taking off.
Captain was very forthcoming that "hey, we're boarding, we're going to close the door but we're not going anywhere... if we stay at the gate, we'll time out and the flight will cancel."
So - ymmv.
Captain was very forthcoming that "hey, we're boarding, we're going to close the door but we're not going anywhere... if we stay at the gate, we'll time out and the flight will cancel."
So - ymmv.
Mar 21, 2017, 2:49 pm
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Since (most
) cabin crew members do have watches (or the equivalent), they should have realized the flight would become "illegal" before push back.
) cabin crew members do have watches (or the equivalent), they should have realized the flight would become "illegal" before push back.
Mar 21, 2017, 3:01 pm
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1688 SAN to DFW, we were late pushing back, then the captain came on as we got to the end of the runway and said 'the cabin went illegal'.
back at the gate waiting for a new crew, AA's text said we leave at 1.30, it's 1.30 now.
FAs are in sgt Schultz mode, they know nothing.
back at the gate waiting for a new crew, AA's text said we leave at 1.30, it's 1.30 now.
FAs are in sgt Schultz mode, they know nothing.
What was strange was that the delay was not, initially, that long (maybe 30 - 45 minutes) so I would have thought they would build in more time in the duty day for unexpected delays. But maybe they were not the originally scheduled crew for that flight.
Mar 22, 2017, 5:22 pm
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I always thought that as long as the plane pushed off the gate before they timed out they could fly. So do they need to be wheels up before the clock runs to zero? Surprised this doesn't happen more often especially at airports that frequently have long taxi/wait times, i.e. ORD
Mar 22, 2017, 5:31 pm
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http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...quirements.pdf
Maybe an AA pilot could explain why they would call it after pushback and not before.
Mar 22, 2017, 5:51 pm
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Mar 22, 2017, 6:11 pm
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It happens. Yes there are indeed exceptions that a crew member can elect to extend hours. However they must meet certain rules and just because they can get an exemption for one set of flights doesn't mean they can get it for another even if hours flown before are the same. For example a crew member flying across multiple time zones can't ask for an exemption even though if they flew the same hours on one time zone they could. There many nuances, and a lot of time the crew may think they're legal or can still use an exemption but really can't.
Mar 23, 2017, 9:29 am
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I would say that's true in domestic situations. But I think it does happen often overseas, especially in Asia. I had one so crazy I had to write a TR about it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...a-888-pek.html