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JonNYC Jan 22, 2015 12:05 am

AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 arv. Jan 2015; discussion, deliveries
 
1st AA 787 scheduled to be delivered as AA9702, this Friday PAE-DFW, arriving DFW at 4:21pm

linglingfool Jan 22, 2015 10:17 am


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24212176)
1st AA 787 scheduled to be delivered as AA9702, this Friday PAE-DFW, arriving DFW at 4:21pm

Any word on the first revenue flight?

JonNYC Jan 22, 2015 10:19 am


Originally Posted by linglingfool (Post 24214381)
Any word on the first revenue flight?

Wish I could honestly say I had such info! :)

FWAAA Jan 22, 2015 11:24 am


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24212176)
1st AA 787 scheduled to be delivered as AA9702, this Friday PAE-DFW, arriving DFW at 4:21pm

AA's DFW employees have been told by management that taking photos of the 787 on Friday is strictly prohibited. Management must be really pleased with all the photos taken of the plane in Seattle over the last few weeks. :D

JonNYC Jan 22, 2015 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 24214813)
AA's DFW employees have been told by management that taking photos of the 787 on Friday is strictly prohibited. Management must be really pleased with all the photos taken of the plane in Seattle over the last few weeks. :D

Masters of the losing battle :D

JBartlow Jan 22, 2015 7:21 pm

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...eamliner.html/

Longboater Jan 22, 2015 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by JBartlow (Post 24217423)

The article mentions revenue flights won't begin until the Q2. What could be taking just over two months to commence commercial flying besides the acceptance check? Is it still the FAA certification of the J Class seats?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=2&output=html

According to All Things 787, American's next three Dreamliners, N801AC, N802AN, and N803AL, are all undergoing Pre-Flight Prep and should be delivered to American before the end of March. Not sure what all this means, but shouldn't international service begin sometime this summer? Wouldn't the certification of N800AN accelerate the service entrance of the next three air frames?

JDiver Jan 22, 2015 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by linglingfool (Post 24214381)
Any word on the first revenue flight?


Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information. (From the wiki.)

FWAAA Jan 22, 2015 11:42 pm


Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24217595)
The article mentions revenue flights won't begin until the Q2. What could be taking just over two months to commence commercial flying besides the acceptance check? Is it still the FAA certification of the J Class seats?

I'm not positive, but my WAG/S is that a few dozen AA pilots still need to accumulate a few hours and practice some takeoffs and landings. They've had extensive simulator training, and now it's time for some real-world flying before they take 200 passengers to Paris or Tokyo. Probably takes a few weeks to accomplish that.

I believe the pilots did the same sort of practice when the A319s/A321s began arriving. Right now, the pilots have the sim time, but zero actual takeoffs and landings and zero hours in the type. Some practice couldn't hurt.

BStrauss3 Jan 23, 2015 3:42 pm

N800AN left Everett, WA as AA9702 at 2:06pm bound for DFW
 
The 1st AA 787-8, N800AN left Everett, WA as AA9702 at 2:07pm bound for DFW. 4 hours and 7 minutes late. Now due in at 7:09pm.

imapilotaz Jan 23, 2015 3:59 pm

Figures i land at 730pm. Oh well. Cant wait to see this beauty in service.

JonNYC Jan 23, 2015 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24212176)
1st AA 787 scheduled to be delivered as AA9702, this Friday PAE-DFW, arriving DFW at 4:21pm

on it's way: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9702

bchandler02 Jan 23, 2015 5:23 pm

Anyone know why the delay? Just curious, on a brand new plane surely it isn't mechanical.

JonNYC Jan 23, 2015 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by bchandler02 (Post 24223037)
...on a brand new plane surely it isn't mechanical.

Good one!

buckeyefanflyer Jan 23, 2015 5:31 pm

Aircraft last flew Monday BOE 817 interesting track on flight aware.

Herb687 Jan 23, 2015 5:36 pm


Originally Posted by bchandler02 (Post 24223037)
Anyone know why the delay? Just curious, on a brand new plane surely it isn't mechanical.

:D Bwahahahaha! Quite a thigh-slapper there!


Originally Posted by BStrauss3 (Post 24222575)
The 1st AA 787-8, N800AN left Everett, WA as AA9702 at 2:07pm bound for DFW. 4 hours and 7 minutes late. Now due in at 7:09pm.

Too bad that DFW is in a north flow at the moment. Would be cool to hang out at the observation area and hope for a landing on 18R (better than a 50/50 bet) if DFW was landing south.

Semi-OT: has anyone else noticed that now that RNAV STARs have been implemented at DFW, 13R no longer seems to be assigned for arrivals from the NW?

roadwarrior84 Jan 23, 2015 5:47 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24222990)

I'm sitting on a plane and departing from DFW in 10 min. Darn it, would have nice to see it!

JonNYC Jan 23, 2015 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by roadwarrior84 (Post 24223134)
I'm sitting on a plane and departing from DFW in 10 min. Darn it, would have nice to see it!

There gonna ride it all around the airport and, I presume, water-cannon it, hopefully you were delayed! :)

BStrauss3 Jan 23, 2015 8:25 pm

flyfo didn't say but actually I do assume the delay was maintenance if anything's broke you do want it fixed at the factory!

dmsdfw Jan 23, 2015 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by BStrauss3 (Post 24223787)
flyfo didn't say but actually I do assume the delay was maintenance if anything's broke you do want it fixed at the factory!

The Dallas-area local NBC news said "paperwork". Maybe the check hadn't cleared yet. ;)

rgAAFT Jan 23, 2015 9:32 pm


Originally Posted by BStrauss3 (Post 24223787)
flyfo didn't say but actually I do assume the delay was maintenance if anything's broke you do want it fixed at the factory!


True, kind of surreal that it's finally here though

JonNYC Jan 23, 2015 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by BStrauss3 (Post 24223787)
flyfo didn't say but actually I do assume the delay was maintenance if anything's broke you do want it fixed at the factory!


Originally Posted by dmsdfw (Post 24223986)
The Dallas-area local NBC news said "paperwork". Maybe the check hadn't cleared yet. ;)

"due to the circumstances and all, my manger says I can knock a hundred dollars off that Trucoat."

JDiver Jan 23, 2015 9:44 pm


American has placed firm orders for 42 Boeing 787 aircraft, with the right to acquire an additional 58. American will take delivery of both the 787-8 and 787-9 as part of the 42 firm orders. American expects its first 787 to enter revenue service in the second quarter, flying domestically between American's hubs for several weeks before being launched on international flights. Link.
That'll keep us busy here... ;)

NA-Flyer Jan 24, 2015 12:32 am

I wonder what J seat version AA will install on the new 787?

Piedmont767 Jan 24, 2015 1:09 am


Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 24224381)
I wonder what J seat version AA will install on the new 787?

It's the version found of the refurbished 777-200s.

JonNYC Jan 24, 2015 6:04 am


Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 24224381)
I wonder what J seat version AA will install on the new 787?


Originally Posted by Piedmont767 (Post 24224456)
It's the version found of the refurbished 777-200s.

Indeed, as was covered in the other thread (or threads, not sure) :

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...788-route.html

kdoughboy Jan 24, 2015 2:38 pm

Has anyone seen any shots of the new bird at DFW?

itchief Jan 24, 2015 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by kdoughboy (Post 24227125)
Has anyone seen any shots of the new bird at DFW?

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/a...dd3122f9678df2

more pic's on this link

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/01/...-8-dreamliner/

TWA884 Jan 24, 2015 7:29 pm


Originally Posted by bchandler02 (Post 24223037)
Anyone know why the delay? Just curious, on a brand new plane surely it isn't mechanical.

I believe it's all about money:

JDiver Jan 24, 2015 7:42 pm


Originally Posted by dmsdfw (Post 24223986)
The Dallas-area local NBC news said "paperwork". Maybe the check hadn't cleared yet. ;)


Originally Posted by BStrauss3 (Post 24223787)
flyfo didn't say but actually I do assume the delay was maintenance if anything's broke you do want it fixed at the factory!


UPDATE, January 23, 9:50 p.m. EST: Correspondent Austin Speaker was in Fort Worth when the 787 arrived at 7:06 p.m. CST. Operating under the AA delivery flight number of 9702, the aircraft registered N800AN was delayed due to a small software issue. Link.
"Our new software upgrades assure nothing can go wrong... go wrong... go wrong..." :D

AvidFlyer1990 Jan 24, 2015 9:32 pm

Does anyone know about the first revenue route on this new bird? Would love to give it a try, especially in J!

KD5MDK Jan 24, 2015 10:35 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 24228366)
"Our new software upgrades assure nothing can go wrong... go wrong... go wrong..." :D

They had a few clicks to make:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...wareWizard.png

linglingfool Jan 24, 2015 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by AvidFlyer1990 (Post 24228731)
Does anyone know about the first revenue route on this new bird? Would love to give it a try, especially in J!

The consensus is that it would start revenue flights on hub-hub routes, where there's enough traffic to support a bird that big, so would expect to see it DFW-ORD/LAX/MIA, but nothing firm has been announced.

CMK10 Jan 25, 2015 7:13 am

That is one beautiful looking plane when painted in the AA job. Can't wait to see it in person ^

BStrauss3 Jan 25, 2015 8:53 am

Now that AA has their hands on it, there's still a lot of work. No joke - they posted a video during the delivery cycle of the 1st new 737s where they talked about changing a whole bunch of things from "Boeing" to "AA".

JDiver Jan 25, 2015 9:05 am


Originally Posted by AvidFlyer1990 (Post 24228731)
Does anyone know about the first revenue route on this new bird? Would love to give it a try, especially in J!

Link to that thread is in the wiki and a post not far above yours:


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 24217977)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information. (From the wiki.)


AvidFlyer1990 Jan 25, 2015 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by linglingfool (Post 24229032)
The consensus is that it would start revenue flights on hub-hub routes, where there's enough traffic to support a bird that big, so would expect to see it DFW-ORD/LAX/MIA, but nothing firm has been announced.

Thanks!! I will try to snag a J seat on the inaugural flight if I can!!

Longboater Jan 25, 2015 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by AvidFlyer1990 (Post 24232980)
Thanks!! I will try to snag a J seat on the inaugural flight if I can!!

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/01/...-8-dreamliner/

According to Airways News, the initial domestic routes will be announced within the next three to four weeks.

steve64 Jan 25, 2015 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24217595)
The article mentions revenue flights won't begin until the Q2. What could be taking just over two months to commence commercial flying besides the acceptance check? Is it still the FAA certification of the J Class seats?

AA needs to be certified to operate the type under FAR121 (rules for scheduled airlines).
Currently they're probably operating under FAR91 ("generic" aviation regs, not able to carry paying passengers).

I worked AA Ops back when they started taking delivery of the MD-A-Lemon (aka, MD-11). Delivery of ship #1 only meant that pilot/mechanic training could start in "full force". Delivery of ship #2 stepped up the training and started the FAA certification. Sked service wasn't going to start until shortly after delivery of ship #3. Really hard to start sked service with only 1 or 2 aircraft (AA operated DFW-NRT for several years with a fleet of two 747SPs, it was quite a challenge).

AA had trouble getting FAA certification as they couldn't keep the 2 airplanes "in service" (not grounded due to mechanical problems) long enough to complete the certification flights. But that's getting off topic :p

Longboater Jan 25, 2015 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by steve64 (Post 24233880)
AA needs to be certified to operate the type under FAR121 (rules for scheduled airlines).
Currently they're probably operating under FAR91 ("generic" aviation regs, not able to carry paying passengers).

I worked AA Ops back when they started taking delivery of the MD-A-Lemon (aka, MD-11). Delivery of ship #1 only meant that pilot/mechanic training could start in "full force". Delivery of ship #2 stepped up the training and started the FAA certification. Sked service wasn't going to start until shortly after delivery of ship #3. Really hard to start sked service with only 1 or 2 aircraft (AA operated DFW-NRT for several years with a fleet of two 747SPs, it was quite a challenge).

AA had trouble getting FAA certification as they couldn't keep the 2 airplanes "in service" (not grounded due to mechanical problems) long enough to complete the certification flights. But that's getting off topic :p

The next two Dreamliners are scheduled for delivery within the next month. So I guess revenue flights for March are still premature? I guess we are looking like April for revenue flights and the summer for international routes. Well, we'll know in a few weeks the domestic plans at least.


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