Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24233310)

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/01/...-8-dreamliner/

According to Airways News, the initial domestic routes will be announced within the next three to four weeks.

Originally Posted by relangford (Post 24259225)

Since FT is a hotbed of speculation, .... Here in Korea, AA has hinted at "upgrades" to the aircraft (currently, the only is ICN-DFW on a 772 in old configuration). Most guessers have speculated a 77W. I suspect the 788 is too small for the loads (and cargo), but does anyone have an idea if Korea might get a 788 (AA has also hinted at another ICN-U.S. route - maybe LAX)?

Originally Posted by relangford (Post 24259225)

Since FT is a hotbed of speculation, .... Here in Korea, AA has hinted at "upgrades" to the aircraft (currently, the only is ICN-DFW on a 772 in old configuration). Most guessers have speculated a 77W. I suspect the 788 is too small for the loads (and cargo), but does anyone have an idea if Korea might get a 788 (AA has also hinted at another ICN-U.S. route - maybe LAX)?

Originally Posted by relangford (Post 24259225)

Since FT is a hotbed of speculation, .... Here in Korea, AA has hinted at "upgrades" to the aircraft (currently, the only is ICN-DFW on a 772 in old configuration). Most guessers have speculated a 77W. I suspect the 788 is too small for the loads (and cargo), but does anyone have an idea if Korea might get a 788 (AA has also hinted at another ICN-U.S. route - maybe LAX)?

Originally Posted by cova (Post 24266017)

New routes for 787 - LAX to AKL.

Originally Posted by mikelat (Post 24266046)

Is that a request or substantiated by anything?

Originally Posted by VNAFlyer (Post 24282584)

That's a big fat negative.

N800AN

Originally Posted by Jeff Sloyer (Post 24282304)

It looks like aa took delivery of their Dreamliner from aa's Instagram account. There is no tail number but I'm guessing it's either n780av or n781av. The reason I think it's this is us airways uses Wells Fargo to finance the purchase of aircraft.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...Val=0&PageNo=1

http://instagram.com/p/yNCoN3ox8n/

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24286974)

AA's 787 was showing recently as active in the fleet list (even though first flights are many weeks away and it's international service, months away.)

Things are obviously going slowly, and-- coincidence or glitch-- in the most recent list, the 787 entry is missing entirely from the "active" fleet list.

Originally Posted by relangford (Post 24287569)

N800AN is showing as "active" on Airfleets.net as of today.

Originally Posted by steve64 (Post 24233880)

AA needs to be certified to operate the type under FAR121 (rules for scheduled airlines).
Currently they're probably operating under FAR91 ("generic" aviation regs, not able to carry paying passengers).

I worked AA Ops back when they started taking delivery of the MD-A-Lemon (aka, MD-11). Delivery of ship #1 only meant that pilot/mechanic training could start in "full force". Delivery of ship #2 stepped up the training and started the FAA certification. Sked service wasn't going to start until shortly after delivery of ship #3. Really hard to start sked service with only 1 or 2 aircraft (AA operated DFW-NRT for several years with a fleet of two 747SPs, it was quite a challenge).

AA had trouble getting FAA certification as they couldn't keep the 2 airplanes "in service" (not grounded due to mechanical problems) long enough to complete the certification flights. But that's getting off topic :p

Originally Posted by relangford (Post 24288332)

Could it be AA is still "testing" it, so not technically "active"?

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24290864)

I don't really have a theory, per se-- could be regulatory/paperwork, technical etc and/or as described above. It -did- show as "active" when it was delivered and doesn't now, but maybe that's all part of it as well.

For sure there are some folks surprised by the delay in it's introduction into international flights, several months off. But, I'm sure we'll know more very shortly.

The first 2 overseas routes have been decided and are firm at this point.

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24290864)

I don't really have a theory, per se-- could be regulatory/paperwork, technical etc and/or as described above. It -did- show as "active" when it was delivered and doesn't now, but maybe that's all part of it as well.

For sure there are some folks surprised by the delay in it's introduction into international flights, several months off. But, I'm sure we'll know more very shortly.

The first 2 overseas routes have been decided and are firm at this point.

Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24291215)

Could we at least get a hint of those two overseas routes?

Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 24291693)

Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24291215)

Could we at least get a hint of those two overseas routes?

Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24291942)

My guess of Asia is based on comments by American's CFO Derek Kerr found here. According to the fleet plan, there will be six Dreamliners on the property by the end of Q2, making DFW/ORD-Asia doable. http://leehamnews.com/2014/06/19/ame...-peak-banking/
Mods, please move this post to the other thread if it is more relevant there.

Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24292102)

I think the hard product alone on AA's Dreamliner is a middle finger to United. United's Dreamliner has a laughably embarrassing interior that belongs in the 1990s. While American's new J class looks rather a bit grey, the mood lighting should solve this. Combined with the walk-up bar, American's Dreamliner blows United's out of the water. I think I know where you are going at with the Dreamliner's first routes. $misek better have something up his sleeve to compete with this.

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24292160)

With great respect, I personally think you are overstating each and every point here-- greatly. Again, with respect and all, but, I don't see this AA 787 with it's new seats as ANY kind of "great game-changer" in any way, shape or form.

And since quite obviously one of these two inaugural 787 routes is to Asia, AA is still far inferior to almost every single one of it's Asian-flagged competitors (albeit, yes, with connection involved.)

Let's not get carried away, IMHO. :)

Originally Posted by Longboater (Post 24292196)

Ah you're right Jon, just getting a bit carried away. Bad memories of United is what has me optimistic about American's feature, even with Parker at the helm.

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24292824)

Fair enough!! And thanks for taking my take on it in the spirit in which it was intended. I think 787 is cool, but I also think that novelty wears off very quickly, to a large degree. I flew A380 F on 2 different carriers this weekend (EK and TG) (as well as F on CX and JL on the same trip) and paid almost zero attention to the A380 factor when selecting the flights, whereas when the A380 was newer I was super-excited to fly it. I doubt 787's "thrill" even has that much left in it.

Originally Posted by itchief (Post 24328242)

Back to the 787-8, ZA818 American Airlines 787-8 N801AC made its 2nd B2 flight on Tuesday. After a couple of customer flights the second AA 787 will be on it's way to DFW.

here is a link to the latest picture of N801AC in flight.

http://kpae.blogspot.com

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24328254)

Nice one!

http://painefield.info/images/kpae10986.png

Originally Posted by itchief (Post 24328242)

Back to the 787-8, ZA818 American Airlines 787-8 N801AC made its 2nd B2 - 2nd Boeing test flight - on Tuesday. After a couple of customer flights the second AA 787 will be on it's way to DFW.

here is a link to the latest picture of N801AC in flight.

http://kpae.blogspot.com

Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 24292160)

With great respect, I personally think you are overstating each and every point here-- greatly. Again, with respect and all, but, I don't see this AA 787 with it's new seats as ANY kind of "great game-changer" in any way, shape or form.

And since quite obviously one of these two inaugural 787 routes is to Asia, AA is still far inferior to almost every single one of it's Asian-flagged competitors (albeit, yes, with connection involved.)

Let's not get carried away, IMHO. :)

Originally Posted by carsnoceans (Post 24336565)

Wasn't there a rumor about new routes on 787 to ME? Wonder if that's still sticking..

Originally Posted by carsnoceans (Post 24336565)

Wasn't there a rumor about new routes on 787 to ME? Wonder if that's still sticking..