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Yoshi212 Nov 5, 2014 8:51 am

I am pretty sure those are A318s not A319s and when flying westbound the flight stops in SNN for fuel.
I'm a big fan of the 752s that UA and many other airlines use to fly to smaller destinations or add frequency in Europe & Latin America as I prefer nonstop flights. Looking at the 737 Max 9 vs this A321NeoLR leaves much to be desired including a post F/J cabin boarding door.


Originally Posted by ShadowCaptain (Post 23795530)
Well BA currently fly A319's from London City to New York, albeit on a lighter configuration. So I'm sure it could, it just depends on how they configure it if they actually buy any.


Djokison Nov 5, 2014 8:52 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 23795776)
As to 321LRneo, potentially it could replace 757s transatlantic or Hawai'i, but can it handle LPB? For Hawai'i length sectors, might AA not find it more economical to develop a subfleet of ETOPS-rated 748s, such as Alaska does?

As much as I would love to see the 747 in AA colors again, it seems a bit unlikely and probably not economical. ;)

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skunker Nov 5, 2014 9:00 am


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 23795806)
As much as I would love to see the 747 in AA colors again, it seems a bit unlikely and probably not economical. ;)

I can see it now: upstairs all first class with a tiki lounge. :D

LETTERBOY Nov 5, 2014 9:36 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 23795776)
might AA not find it more economical to develop a subfleet of ETOPS-rated 748s, such as Alaska does?

Alaska uses 748s? :D

Stripy Nov 5, 2014 9:43 am

One of these perhaps? :p

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2872/...41151fab32.jpg

JDiver Nov 5, 2014 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 23795806)
As much as I would love to see the 747 in AA colors again, it seems a bit unlikely and probably not economical. ;)

Ha! Caught me! ;) (Thanks.) My smartphone dumbs out again. LH is going "dump the bump" - they don't have their 747-8 complement yet, AFAIK, but they've already announced their retirement (not soon, but...)

Of course, I'd intended to say 738 - the AS 737-800 ETOPS subfleet seems to be doing well (I use them West Coast-Hawai'i instead of AA - newer aircraft, more convenient routes, cheaper price - but not very comfortable in F for five hours, though far better than coach).

JDiver Nov 5, 2014 10:09 am


Originally Posted by Stripy (Post 23796058)

I heard they were considering DFW-FAT and DFW-Bentonville with this.

Nice appearance!^

dugknight Nov 5, 2014 10:41 am

This explains why the FA on my flight from LAX-LIH last week said they were going to be flying the new Airbus next year to Hawaii. I wondered where she got that info, couldn't find any confirmation online. She's obviously speculating from the letter she received. Would be great though!

WillTravel4Food Nov 5, 2014 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Yoshi212 (Post 23795793)
I am pretty sure those are A318s not A319s and when flying westbound the flight stops in SNN for fuel.

I'm pretty sure the tech stop at SNN is due to the fact that LCY is too short to handle a fully fueled A318 to make the non-stop LCY-JFK.

The question here is really whether they can improve performance and fuel load enough to allow the LR to jump the pond. And all without doing a clean-sheet design and certification.

N830MH Nov 5, 2014 11:19 am


Originally Posted by ShadowCaptain (Post 23795530)
Well BA currently fly A319's from London City to New York, albeit on a lighter configuration. So I'm sure it could, it just depends on how they configure it if they actually buy any.

I think they will have 170 passengers capacity and the seat configuration is 14J/156Y.

eponymous_coward Nov 5, 2014 11:38 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 23796199)
Ha! Caught me! ;) (Thanks.) My smartphone dumbs out again. LH is going "dump the bump" - they don't have their 747-8 complement yet, AFAIK, but they've already announced their retirement (not soon, but...)

Of course, I'd intended to say 738 - the AS 737-800 ETOPS subfleet seems to be doing well (I use them West Coast-Hawai'i instead of AA - newer aircraft, more convenient routes, cheaper price - but not very comfortable in F for five hours, though far better than coach).

Wouldn't shock me to see this, though PHX-HNL/OGG/KOA is a touch too long for the 738s. Might not be for the 738/739MAX, though, and probably isn't for the A321neo. ;)

ubernostrum Nov 5, 2014 11:46 am


Originally Posted by WillTravel4Food (Post 23796529)
I'm pretty sure the tech stop at SNN is due to the fact that LCY is too short to handle a fully fueled A318 to make the non-stop LCY-JFK.

The question here is really whether they can improve performance and fuel load enough to allow the LR to jump the pond. And all without doing a clean-sheet design and certification.

You are correct regarding the technical purpose of the stop; it's because the departure is from LCY, and that imposes restrictions on available take-off distance, which in turn imposes restrictions on the weight of the aircraft at take-off.

If a similar service ran from LHR, no fuel stop would be needed. But of course the whole point is that LCY-JFK is a far more convenient airport pair for the people who use the flight (and the stop in SNN allow pre-clearance to happen, which means you step off the plane at JFK and are free to go do your business).

doctor15 Nov 5, 2014 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by cmd320 (Post 23795467)
I also would say that it needs to be a plane capable of boarding though an L2 door. The A321 was supposedly going to be able to do that but it seems that whole plan is dead in the water.

huh? I have not been on AA's new A321s yet, but US routinely boards A321s via L2

Djokison Nov 5, 2014 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by doctor15 (Post 23797331)
huh? I have not been on AA's new A321s yet, but US routinely boards A321s via L2

Are you sure? AFAIK, US prohibits L2 boarding (using the jetway) on the A321. In fact, most airlines don't board through L2 (using the jetway), with the exception of Lufthansa.

Also, do the overhead bins extend over the doors on the US A321s? I know they do on some airlines, which would further hinder such an operation.


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