American definition of a segment
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American definition of a segment
First things first - I've googled, and searched this forum (and google searched this forum - ie 'aadvantage segment definition site:www.flyertalk.com') but have not found a definitive answer on this as yet.
I'm gold right now and just got my notice from AA that I need x,000 miles, x,000 points, or 6 more segments to re-qualify for next year.
I have a roundtrip planned from STL->SAT via DFW, and another direct STL->ORD roundtrip booked.
Say this is my itinerary:
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
Does the above qualify as 4 segments or 2? From my understanding it should count as four due to all flights having different flight numbers and due to the layover in DFW.
And if STL-SAT via DFW is 4 segments, if I combine that with my roundtrip to ORD, I should requalify for Gold without issue, correct?
I'm gold right now and just got my notice from AA that I need x,000 miles, x,000 points, or 6 more segments to re-qualify for next year.
I have a roundtrip planned from STL->SAT via DFW, and another direct STL->ORD roundtrip booked.
Say this is my itinerary:
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
Does the above qualify as 4 segments or 2? From my understanding it should count as four due to all flights having different flight numbers and due to the layover in DFW.
And if STL-SAT via DFW is 4 segments, if I combine that with my roundtrip to ORD, I should requalify for Gold without issue, correct?
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I'm gold right now and just got my notice from AA that I need x,000 miles, x,000 points, or 6 more segments to re-qualify for next year.
I have a roundtrip planned from STL->SAT via DFW, and another direct STL->ORD roundtrip booked.
Say this is my itinerary:
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
Does the above qualify as 4 segments or 2?
I have a roundtrip planned from STL->SAT via DFW, and another direct STL->ORD roundtrip booked.
Say this is my itinerary:
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
Does the above qualify as 4 segments or 2?
From my understanding it should count as four due to all flights having different flight numbers and due to the layover in DFW.
And if STL-SAT via DFW is 4 segments, if I combine that with my roundtrip to ORD, I should requalify for Gold without issue, correct?
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Say this is my itinerary:
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
STL-DFW 1141
DFW-SAT 2213
SAT-DFW 1433
DFW-STL 96
Not this time, but what you have to watch for is when you buy a flight with a stop - even if it involves a "change of gauge" (aircraft change) and it has the same flight number. E.g. AA 0048 (iirc, no longer exists) SFO-DFW-ZRH - counts as if it were nonstop SFO-ZRH.
And it gets confusing because sometimes AA may use the same flight number outbound and return - but these have not had problems posting separately, from reports here.
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Four segments, no problem at all. You will make Gold (and earn the 25% status bonus miles) on the actual segment you use to cross the Gold threshold.
Not this time, but what you have to watch for is when you buy a flight with a stop - even if it involves a "change of gauge" (aircraft change) and it has the same flight number. E.g. AA 0048 (iirc, no longer exists) SFO-DFW-ZRH - counts as if it were nonstop SFO-ZRH.
And it gets confusing because sometimes AA may use the same flight number outbound and return - but these have not had problems posting separately, from reports here.
Not this time, but what you have to watch for is when you buy a flight with a stop - even if it involves a "change of gauge" (aircraft change) and it has the same flight number. E.g. AA 0048 (iirc, no longer exists) SFO-DFW-ZRH - counts as if it were nonstop SFO-ZRH.
And it gets confusing because sometimes AA may use the same flight number outbound and return - but these have not had problems posting separately, from reports here.
). But yes, it appears the SFO-DFW part no longer exists.
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Four segments, no problem at all. You will make Gold (and earn the 25% status bonus miles) on the actual segment you use to cross the Gold threshold.
Not this time, but what you have to watch for is when you buy a flight with a stop - even if it involves a "change of gauge" (aircraft change) and it has the same flight number. E.g. AA 0048 (iirc, no longer exists) SFO-DFW-ZRH - counts as if it were nonstop SFO-ZRH.
And it gets confusing because sometimes AA may use the same flight number outbound and return - but these have not had problems posting separately, from reports here.
Not this time, but what you have to watch for is when you buy a flight with a stop - even if it involves a "change of gauge" (aircraft change) and it has the same flight number. E.g. AA 0048 (iirc, no longer exists) SFO-DFW-ZRH - counts as if it were nonstop SFO-ZRH.
And it gets confusing because sometimes AA may use the same flight number outbound and return - but these have not had problems posting separately, from reports here.
. BOS and MIA seem to get most of the international aircraft change continuing same flight numbers on AA from what I've seen.
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Not under AAdvantage segment counting unfortunately. If I took my aforementioned AA 289 BOS-ORD, then the same flight number ORD-PVG, it counts as one segment as far as AAdvantage is concerned, despite two takeoffs and two landings. It also only awards mileage credit BOS-PVG as though it were nonstop, not BOS-ORD-PVG. I've yet to log any partial flight segments in your definition though either fortunately
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Not under AAdvantage segment counting unfortunately. If I took my aforementioned AA 289 BOS-ORD, then the same flight number ORD-PVG, it counts as one segment as far as AAdvantage is concerned, despite two takeoffs and two landings. It also only awards mileage credit BOS-PVG as though it were nonstop, not BOS-ORD-PVG. I've yet to log any partial flight segments in your definition though either fortunately
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If a flight operates AAA-BBB-CCC-DDD, it has 6 segments:
1. AAA-BBB
2. BBB-CCC
3. CCC-DDD
4. AAA-CCC
5. AAA-DDD
6. BBB-DDD
1, 2 and 3 would also be considered legs of the various segments.
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Not under AAdvantage segment counting unfortunately. If I took my aforementioned AA 289 BOS-ORD, then the same flight number ORD-PVG, it counts as one segment as far as AAdvantage is concerned, despite two takeoffs and two landings. It also only awards mileage credit BOS-PVG as though it were nonstop, not BOS-ORD-PVG.
I did not realize that the miles are computed as if the flight was a non-stop. I will be more careful about avoiding such flights when I can in the future.
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Same flight number different airports
I'm flying DBQ-ORD-DCA-ORD-DFW-JAN in a few weeks.
ORD-DCA and DCA-ORD are both flight 1473. We arrive at DCA at 1:20pm and depart at 2:05pm. Should ORD-DCA and DCA-ORD be considered two segments or just one?
ORD-DCA and DCA-ORD are both flight 1473. We arrive at DCA at 1:20pm and depart at 2:05pm. Should ORD-DCA and DCA-ORD be considered two segments or just one?
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"should be" - a matter of debate/opinion.
But it will be one segment in your AA account.
But it will be one segment in your AA account.
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I can attest from personal experience (on LAX-SJC segment run with the same inbound and outbound flight number) that I got 2 segments from it.
I am pretty confident that AA technically views a segment has "a takeoff and landing".
I am pretty confident that AA technically views a segment has "a takeoff and landing".


