AA to HKG?
Dec 10, 2008, 1:58 pm
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AA to HKG?
So, guys and gals, what are your thoughts on some AA metal going to Hong Kong? Both AA and JAL have lots of flights from US gateway cities to Narita. Why not any AA metal to HKG? Would love to use an eVIP to Hong Kong!
Dec 10, 2008, 2:03 pm
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One who uses EXP to get a DL/NW status match can fly a 747-400 to HKG.
The present AA 777-200ERs could make it from ORD but DFW might require significant load restrictions, or a 777-200LR.
The present AA 777-200ERs could make it from ORD but DFW might require significant load restrictions, or a 777-200LR.
Dec 10, 2008, 2:29 pm
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Not quite sure what the relevance of JAL is seeing as you can't use an eVip on JAL. If you're strictly looking for OW airlines, then CX flies there nonstop. Not that this has any more relevance seeing as you can't use an eVip on them either. Although I've never done it, it seems that connecting in PVG would get you closer to HKG on AA metal than NRT.
Dec 10, 2008, 2:46 pm
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1. AA has no present route authorities to HKG (HKG is governed by a separate bilateral);
2. AA views nonstops to HKG as a less-pressing priority than its other flights.
If ORD-HKG offered any significant opportunity for profits, Cathay Pacific would already be flying the route.
Dec 10, 2008, 2:49 pm
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My thoughts are that AA probably does not view your desire to use and eVIP to HKG as sufficient reason to institute service on this route.
Dec 10, 2008, 2:57 pm
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AA's lack of flights out of West Coast to Asia has always been the norm. Unfortunately, AA's current focus is flying Central US to SA and Europe. Maybe that might change in a few years, but until then the only "AA flight" available is an AA codeshare on CX from LAX-HKG
Dec 10, 2008, 3:04 pm
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Dec 10, 2008, 3:20 pm
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AA's lack of HKG flights is due to the following:
1. AA has no present route authorities to HKG (HKG is governed by a separate bilateral);
2. AA views nonstops to HKG as a less-pressing priority than its other flights.
If ORD-HKG offered any significant opportunity for profits, Cathay Pacific would already be flying the route.
1. AA has no present route authorities to HKG (HKG is governed by a separate bilateral);
2. AA views nonstops to HKG as a less-pressing priority than its other flights.
If ORD-HKG offered any significant opportunity for profits, Cathay Pacific would already be flying the route.
ORD-HKG is longer then DFW-PEK that AA and the pilots could not play nice with.
CX until recently with 777-300ER did not have aircraft that made sense for the ORD-HKG route (747-400 was not cost justified). CX is now in the process of delaying many 777-300ER deliveries and trying to sell or lease some of their 777-200 or 300 (not ER versions) and 747-400.
AA could probably do OK from ORD as HKG is the gateway to most of China and eastern asia. They may loose a bunch of NRT load if they did HKG. Need the economy to improve maybe after the 2012 election.
Last edited by zman; Dec 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Dec 10, 2008, 5:59 pm
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Dec 10, 2008, 6:05 pm
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CO currently operates 777-200ERs on EWR-HKG. In the HKG-bound direction, the aircraft often takes of at Maximum Take-Off Weight, and in the EWR-bound direction, always does. This means that freight is usually weight limited toward HKG, and always limited toward EWR. But they must be able to have enough freight to operate the route profitably. DFW-HKG is only 58 miles further than EWR-HKG.
Dec 10, 2008, 6:07 pm
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I think the point he was trying to make was to preemptively respond to someone saying "Well, CX, another oneworld carrier, already has significant route presence between the US and HKG, thus making it difficult for AA to compete in that market." It's not stopping AA from flying to Japan, even though JL has lots of competing routes.
Dec 10, 2008, 7:45 pm
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Dec 10, 2008, 8:46 pm
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CO currently operates 777-200ERs on EWR-HKG. In the HKG-bound direction, the aircraft often takes of at Maximum Take-Off Weight, and in the EWR-bound direction, always does. This means that freight is usually weight limited toward HKG, and always limited toward EWR. But they must be able to have enough freight to operate the route profitably. DFW-HKG is only 58 miles further than EWR-HKG.
Dec 10, 2008, 11:15 pm
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