What do you think of the proposed AA alliance with CO?
Apr 30, 2008, 9:59 am
#31
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I don't believe that's correct. Remember they need to make it from IAH or EWR, they have no interest in LAX/SFO.
Apr 30, 2008, 10:50 am
#32
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Not to mention the PAX/fuel ratio of the 787 might be different. If only 1 787 worth of people want to fly IAH-SYD, putting a 772 on it would be expensive overkill.
Apr 30, 2008, 11:21 am
#33
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they have said in the past that they would need to fly a 744 to SYD to make any money. perhaps the 787's efficiency would make it profitable, but currently a 772 is not.
Apr 30, 2008, 11:28 am
#34
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Not to mention a 772 does not have the range without substantial weight restriction nor is the route suitable for the 207 minute ETOPS limits.
Apr 30, 2008, 11:39 am
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CO owns the rights to fly to SYD. they used to in the 90's. HNL-SYD. not sure if they did it from IAH or LAX. CO simply has NO extra 772's to waste on the SYD route. currently they fly all of them on their most profitable (and distance required routes).
they have said in the past that they would need to fly a 744 to SYD to make any money. perhaps the 787's efficiency would make it profitable, but currently a 772 is not.
they have said in the past that they would need to fly a 744 to SYD to make any money. perhaps the 787's efficiency would make it profitable, but currently a 772 is not.
Apr 30, 2008, 12:11 pm
#36
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As others have stated I think all in all it would be good if and only if they didn't de-value EXP. If they put the same restrictions of EXP as CO does on their PLTs, it would not be worth it for me to strive for EXP any more. I would probably attain PLT on AA and Silver or GLD on CO.
Apr 30, 2008, 12:37 pm
#37
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I don't really see how this is a problem for AS frequent fliers. You get your choice of five different airlines to fly domestically (of which 4 earn EQMs), plus BA, Qantas, CX, LA, AF and KLM internationally (only the latter 3 earn eqms). More partners is a good thing, isn't it?
Apr 30, 2008, 12:40 pm
#38
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CO simply has NO extra 772's to waste on the SYD route. currently they fly all of them on their most profitable (and distance required routes).
Apr 30, 2008, 2:10 pm
#39
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Without any major LAX presence CO is not about to start up LAX-SYD even if they did have extra 772ER's.
CO will not fly to SYD except from IAH or EWR and therefore will not fly to SYD until the 787 comes online.
Apr 30, 2008, 2:59 pm
#40
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not that this has much to do with an AA-CO alliance, since neither is likely to enter oz anytime soon.
Apr 30, 2008, 3:03 pm
#41
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Apr 30, 2008, 3:20 pm
#42
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Overall I would greatly welcome CO as another OW carrier connecting NA and OZ...
Apr 30, 2008, 3:46 pm
#43
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Apr 30, 2008, 6:02 pm
#44
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And there's also a number of problems with routing a SYD flight through IAH or EWR - mainly because you're ignoring the entire western US. Who from the western US will be willing to backtrack 3+ hours to connect to a 16-17 hr flight? Especially with UA, QF and soon V-Australia at LAX? Hence why LAX is the perfect hub for OZ operations, it's west of everything. Being on the east coast or in the middle of the country, LAX is on the way for you. If you're on the west coast, it's even closer.
Oh and BTW, CO is rumored to be placing a decent sized 777 order shortly. A 772 operated SYD route isn't as far fetched as you think.
Apr 30, 2008, 7:46 pm
#45
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The prescence is irrelevant. The O&D market between LAX and OZ is enough that CO could support a route with zero connecting traffic. There's a reason why QF derives some 30% of its total revenue from this route alone, and it's a very heavy O&D route.
And there's also a number of problems with routing a SYD flight through IAH or EWR - mainly because you're ignoring the entire western US. Who from the western US will be willing to backtrack 3+ hours to connect to a 16-17 hr flight? Especially with UA, QF and soon V-Australia at LAX? Hence why LAX is the perfect hub for OZ operations, it's west of everything. Being on the east coast or in the middle of the country, LAX is on the way for you. If you're on the west coast, it's even closer.
Oh and BTW, CO is rumored to be placing a decent sized 777 order shortly. A 772 operated SYD route isn't as far fetched as you think.
And there's also a number of problems with routing a SYD flight through IAH or EWR - mainly because you're ignoring the entire western US. Who from the western US will be willing to backtrack 3+ hours to connect to a 16-17 hr flight? Especially with UA, QF and soon V-Australia at LAX? Hence why LAX is the perfect hub for OZ operations, it's west of everything. Being on the east coast or in the middle of the country, LAX is on the way for you. If you're on the west coast, it's even closer.
Oh and BTW, CO is rumored to be placing a decent sized 777 order shortly. A 772 operated SYD route isn't as far fetched as you think.
As you mention the west coast has plenty of OZ options, it's the rest of the country that doesn't.
As for LAX being on the way, maybe for AA/UA pax it is, but it isn't for CO pax.
Less than .01% of CO's flights don't originate/terminate in CLE/EWR/GUM/IAH and you're simply dreaming if you think CO is about to start LAX-SYD even if they were to pick up 2 dozen 772's tomorrow.