TPA based AC/AA elite members - a call to battle!
#16
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
Frankly Id rather see AA put a small club in the C gates at LGA or work with TSA to create a C/D sterile area as it seems AA has more flights/seats daily going out of the C gates at LGA than TPA and my guess is LGA is a higher yield market. I find 50% of the time my gate is C and it doesnt make sense to go through the D security, go to the AC, back out of D and then through the C security.
If AA checks this board I would suggest that is a higher priority but Im sure either way they will have the numbers to figure it out.
If AA checks this board I would suggest that is a higher priority but Im sure either way they will have the numbers to figure it out.
#17
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Originally Posted by Flying Buccaneer
I will send a letter, andrzej. I will make EXP in early December, and have had an AC membership since March 2004. Being able to use the US Club at airside F would be a big incentive to make AA my favored airline in 2007 over UA/Ted. Is there anyone to whom correspondence should be specifically directed?
Just e-mail the AC CS or if you want to write a letter, address it to:
4333 Amon Carter Blvd.
MD 5307
Fort Worth, TX 76155
and I agree- TPA is one of the best.... ^
#18
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Originally Posted by olimaspecto
Out of curiosity, have there been similar agreements at other cities in the past? MCO is another one that comes to mind, but perhaps SEA is a candidate as well with the closure last year of the AC, and the large presence of AS.
As andrzej and MIKESILV are fellow users of TPA, might it be more economically sensible for you to purchase a Priority Pass for your own use, than asking a hard pressed AA to fork out for a lounge of its own, or pay for reciprocal rights, at a relatively small station?
You can always hang out in the Marriott if you have a lengthy delay.
#19
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Originally Posted by Flying Buccaneer
If anyone from AA checks this board, I am sure they will conclude that an agreement with US at TPA would be much easier and cost a small fraction of an additional club or creating a C/D sterile area at LGA.
100 AC members per day x $20 per AC member (if airlines sell day passes to general consumers at a retail of $50, perhaps this is a good assumption for what they would charge each other) = $2,000 per day x 365 days = $730,000 per year.
Even if it were somewhat less to pay US in TPA to allow AC members, LGA is a very high yield market where AA is trying to expand (they have added numerous AE routes, including trying to compete for share on the DCA and BOS routes). The facilities in C could use some type of capital investment or the entire C/D area could be redeveloped (again bigger - but again this would seem to be much more strategic than TPA)
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
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FWIW in the late 1990's AA pax could use US lounges anywhere. I've personally used 'em at CLT, IND and BWI. I think this arrangement ended -not- after 9/11 but instead it ended whenever US got in bed with UA.
#21
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Tampa, Florida, U.S.A.
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I do intend to write in since the club would be great for any delays ( once I reach the airport) though I have pretty lucky in that regard, plus living 10 minutes drive from TIA allows me to play it pretty close.
Am an AC member since 2002 which is one of the reasons I find MIA more tolerable.
Had fogotten about the US club since its been been about 6 years since I last flew them.
(Good ole days US Shuttle $29 1 way to MIA and every 4 segments = free system-wide R/T )
mike
Am an AC member since 2002 which is one of the reasons I find MIA more tolerable.
Had fogotten about the US club since its been been about 6 years since I last flew them.
(Good ole days US Shuttle $29 1 way to MIA and every 4 segments = free system-wide R/T )
mike
#22
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by martin33
at one point AA and US had complete reciprocity in club membership.
the agreement was terminated and AA has entered no others.
only the QF club reciprocity agreement remains in effect.
the agreement was terminated and AA has entered no others.
only the QF club reciprocity agreement remains in effect.
#23
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
Are you sure - I was guessing the costs would be something like this:
100 AC members per day x $20 per AC member (if airlines sell day passes to general consumers at a retail of $50, perhaps this is a good assumption for what they would charge each other) = $2,000 per day x 365 days = $730,000 per year.
Even if it were somewhat less to pay US in TPA to allow AC members, LGA is a very high yield market where AA is trying to expand (they have added numerous AE routes, including trying to compete for share on the DCA and BOS routes). The facilities in C could use some type of capital investment or the entire C/D area could be redeveloped (again bigger - but again this would seem to be much more strategic than TPA)
100 AC members per day x $20 per AC member (if airlines sell day passes to general consumers at a retail of $50, perhaps this is a good assumption for what they would charge each other) = $2,000 per day x 365 days = $730,000 per year.
Even if it were somewhat less to pay US in TPA to allow AC members, LGA is a very high yield market where AA is trying to expand (they have added numerous AE routes, including trying to compete for share on the DCA and BOS routes). The facilities in C could use some type of capital investment or the entire C/D area could be redeveloped (again bigger - but again this would seem to be much more strategic than TPA)
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Originally Posted by Flying Buccaneer
Yes, I am sure. AA would certainly be able to negotiate a better rate than $20/pax, especially if it is going to get 100 or more AC members a day visiting the US Club at TPA. Remember, the $50 day passes are good for an entire day at multiple airports. These pax would use the US Club for 30-60 minutes max. They would not be asking for reservation/travel assistance from the staff, because it would not be available for AA. Given that the pax would be doing little more than occupying space in the club (which has plenty of space to occupy), using the facilities, consuming some of the free refreshments, and/or purchasing drinks at the bar, almost all of whatever US charges AA for per-passenger use would go directly to its bottom line.
btw, how is the club at TPA? Never had the chance to go inside.
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Originally Posted by krug
The AS Club in SEA is superb, with plenty of room, full size windows, supremely helpful staff and a full free bar.
As andrzej and MIKESILV are fellow users of TPA, might it be more economically sensible for you to purchase a Priority Pass for your own use, than asking a hard pressed AA to fork out for a lounge of its own, or pay for reciprocal rights, at a relatively small station?
You can always hang out in the Marriott if you have a lengthy delay.
As andrzej and MIKESILV are fellow users of TPA, might it be more economically sensible for you to purchase a Priority Pass for your own use, than asking a hard pressed AA to fork out for a lounge of its own, or pay for reciprocal rights, at a relatively small station?
You can always hang out in the Marriott if you have a lengthy delay.
Same with the Marriott - If I'm already in the terminal, sitting at the Chillis bar or restaurant, and find out we're delayed for 1 hour, it's not worth it to leave airside just to take the train, do a long walk to the hotel bar/restaurant. What's the difference?
You have not been to TPA? have you....
#26
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wenatchee, WA
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Originally Posted by andrzej
I always thought the "rumors" or maybe "actual info" about the SEA AC was somewhat BS. If in fact SEA screwed AA and raised their rent beyond an acceptable level then why not make an agreement with AS to use their club?
2) The AS club gets packed during busy times, especially since AS seems to give out free passes to people who book vacation packages, and I'm not sure they want to increase the load by adding AAdmiral's Club members.
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Originally Posted by Flying Buccaneer
Yes, I am sure. AA would certainly be able to negotiate a better rate than $20/pax, especially if it is going to get 100 or more AC members a day visiting the US Club at TPA. Remember, the $50 day passes are good for an entire day at multiple airports. These pax would use the US Club for 30-60 minutes max. They would not be asking for reservation/travel assistance from the staff, because it would not be available for AA. Given that the pax would be doing little more than occupying space in the club (which has plenty of space to occupy), using the facilities, consuming some of the free refreshments, and/or purchasing drinks at the bar, almost all of whatever US charges AA for per-passenger use would go directly to its bottom line.
#28
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Originally Posted by krug
The AS Club in SEA is superb, with plenty of room, full size windows, supremely helpful staff and a full free bar.
* Plenty of room? Varies. Sometimes yes, sometimes packed and difficult to find a seat.
* Full size windows that look out on the runway? Yes, great views, especially upstairs.
* Supremely helpful staff? Yes, although sometimes they are limited in what they can do in terms of changing tickets, but the AS service center is only a few steps away down the D concourse.
* Full free bar? Almost. Mostly free beer and wine (microbrews cost extra), free vodka drinks, other mixed drinks cost extra.
* Not mentioned? Free Internet (wired and wireless), better snacks than the old AA club, open decent hours (5 a.m. until 10 p.m. IFIRC)
* Lower cost day passes ($25/day) and lower membership fee than the AAdmiral's Club. (Starting 10/1, $275/year + $100 first year initiation fee.) Also gets you into most CO, NW, and DL clubs.
#29
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Originally Posted by andrzej
I'm not sure if the writing campaign will help but it's worth a try....
btw, how is the club at TPA? Never had the chance to go inside.
btw, how is the club at TPA? Never had the chance to go inside.
#30
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
I see you are UA 1K -- if you are RCC don't you get reciprocal access to US either through a direct agreement or *A. I also think some of the other posts are right - I remember using US clubs in CLT and LGA because of the since ended network AC/US Club agreement. Also if you join US Club dont you get access to RCCs?