adamj023

Everyone seems to be focusing on the 777-300ER including the new Livery which is a beautiful plane which will add seats and improve customer experience for the routes it will serve.

But with the 777's, are any new routes going to be added which never had 777 service before?

I am assuming all 777's that AA has will be utilized now and it is the expansion of 777 service for customers that I am most looking forward to.

Anyone care to speculate or discuss routes that will be covered by 777 in the future?

smilee

Currently American Airlines flies to 6 destinations on the 777
Europe
London
South America
Sao Paulo
Buenos Aires
Asia
Beijing
Shanghai
Tokyo

They are adding Seoul Korea next year. I believe there plan has been to reduce 777 destinations (they have flown about 5 European
destinations in the past)

I believe they will add some in the future, and possibly remove some in the future.

adamj023

They have to add destinations or increase capacity on existing routes.

"Boeing 777-200ER 47 5[11][12] 16 37 0 194 247 All 777-200s to be converted to a two-class configuration with full flat beds in the new Business Class.
Boeing 777-300ER — 13[13][14] 8 52 30 220 310 To be delivered between December 2012 and 2013[15]
First flight January 31, 2013[16]"

They had 47 on hand and 18 on order as of the last count. I know AA doesn't want to give out their success strategy here, which is likely going to be a big winner, but they will have to open more 777 routes considering the planes they ordered and if they removed a 777 they would have to use it to increase existing capacity of other routes or open up access from these existing destinations to new airports.

Incheon South Korea is a nice trade route and growing as of late and more capacity is always good even if competition exists from other carriers so I do indeed expect AA to pick up marketshare from Incheon.

Even after Incheon, more destinations are needed and it remains unclear where the additional 777's will go.

JFK, MIA, DFW are the hubs to Latin America.

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/..._america.shtml

So I wouldn't be surprised to see Capacity increases on the Miami to Latin America route as well.

But considering 18 new planes due in and considering only 2 routes added new planes, those 2 other planes need to be reallocated elsewhere.

All of AA's 777's are in use and the 18 additional ones will be in use as well. If AA sees success with these planes as it has ordered additional 777's in the past I could see AA ordering even more aircraft but the 18 addition was what was planned.

HNL

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Santiago (SCL)

smilee

HNL, SCL is only a 767

HNL

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Yes I am aware if that. This is a speculation thread about where AA will send the 772s now that 777 capicity is going to increase.

I predicted SCL

adamj023

What is the link for the other thread?

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adamj023

No I mean I thought you were saying there was another speculation thread already out.

That list looks too small for 777 destinations right now.

There are 48 777's active with AA right now. I know JFK to MIA often had a 777.

HNL

NRT - 4 Daily (DFW, ORD, LAX)
HND - 1 Daily (JFK)
PVG - 2 Daily (LAX, ORD)
PEK - 1 Daily (OD)
EZE - 5 Daily (JFK, MIA, EZE)
GRU - 7 to 8 Daily (MIA, JFK, DFW)
LHR - 8 to 9 Daily (MIA, JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX)
LAX-MIA - 2 Daily

Each route can require 1 to 3 frames per day to support the frequency and long stage lengths or the long ground time at the out stations.

ESpen36

We're talking about real 777 flights, not domestic repositioning/utilization turns.

Yes, AA does fly a couple of daily LAX-MIA-LAX turns on the 772, for example, and used to fly DFW-ORD-DFW, but those flights do not offer (and are not marketed as offering) anything "special" or "above and beyond" a typical domestic narrowbody, except of course in hard product. Same goes for the 763 flights like JFK-SFO. We are talking about INTERNATIONAL aircraft that fly mostly IFS routes. They occasionally are deployed in domestic (and shorthaul, like SDQ) markets, but only for utilization/repositioning/cargo/logistical/etc, not because those markets are worthy of "premium" equipment. Hopefully that makes sense to you.

When we are talking about the "real" 777 routes, we mean those longhaul international routes that are AA's premium/bread-and-butter international routes, and/or are beyond the range of the 763.

Y29M

I'd love MAN to be a new 777 destination, sadly though I can't see that happening. Despite the fact that there's more than enough demand!

Blumie

I think your distinction is an artificial one. Every aircraft scheduling involves an analysis of multiple factors, such as premium seating demand, cargo demand, aircraft utilization, etc. Certainly on each route the factors will be of differing importance, but I don't think the are "real" or non-"real" 777 routes.

ESpen36

Perhaps so, I but don't see AA marketing LAX-MIA as a "Flagship 777 route," even though it technically offers 3-class AFS. By contrast, the LHR are most definitely marketed as such.

Blumie

True. But I'm not sure why the existence or absence of "flagship" service makes something a "real" flight or not.