Miles "with no expiration" to be converted to normal miles, with 25% bonus Nov 1 2012
Jul 25, 2012, 6:03 pm
#286
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Does anyone know how to contact the executive offices to express displeasure about this mess? Phone number?
Jul 25, 2012, 6:51 pm
#287
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG 75K
Posts: 2,574
Hard to tell what exactly it means without reading the whole opinion. Either way, the idea behind the lawsuits was that changes in the AAdvantage program do not apply to existing AA obligations under the program. Doing so is the only way to enxure that the program can be considered as a contract. Otherwise, if AA can at any moment change its already existing obligations by modifying terms and conditions, the program cannot be viewed as a contract at all.
I hereby declare under penalty of perjury that: (a) since May 1, 1988, on one or more occasions, I have attempted to make a reservation for travel using an Old Award on American Airlines and was unable to make such reservation(s) on the flight of my choice because no seats were available for frequent fliers.
Aug 3, 2012, 2:49 pm
#289
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Utqiagvik (Barrow) Alaska and Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posts: 630
I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. I, too, am analytically minded and have come to quite a different conclusion...
...People who have a appreciable number of "old miles" have had a good long time to use them. Nothing lasts forever. Ask the folks at PanAm, PSA, Eastern or TWA about that. The smart thing, in my opinion, is to save up miles for an immediate need, then use them before they are gone for good.
...People who have a appreciable number of "old miles" have had a good long time to use them. Nothing lasts forever. Ask the folks at PanAm, PSA, Eastern or TWA about that. The smart thing, in my opinion, is to save up miles for an immediate need, then use them before they are gone for good.
Now, American Airlines wants to destroy my AAdvantage nonexpiring miles, but, bring them back to life as "expiring AAdvantage nonexpiring miles with a 25% bonus.
When Maya was managing the AAdvantage frequent flyer program, I didn't have my AAdvantage nonexpiring miles, expire. Where is Maya when we need her?
Here is another viewpoint of where loyality programs go wrong.
Last edited by ceieoc; Aug 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Nov 11, 2012, 10:34 am
#290
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Oradell
Programs: AA PLT 3.6...MM-gonna take LONGER to hit 4MM for those VIPs soon!
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Some examples of advantageous use of non-expiring Advantage miles.
each of the below is round trip for two. Some of the awards to cities in Europe are no longer valid because AA not longer flies to the specified country.
170K miles
Concorde tickets on BA between either New York or Washington, DC, and London
150K miles
US - Tokyo business class
US - Tokyo first class (seasonal)
US - Caracas first class
120K miles
US - Belgium, France, Germany, Great Britain (Italy/Rome is not included)
10K miles
Upgrade to first class from any coach class ticket not having an advance purchase requirement, not including Hawaii. This for 1 ticket not 2.
each of the below is round trip for two. Some of the awards to cities in Europe are no longer valid because AA not longer flies to the specified country.
170K miles
Concorde tickets on BA between either New York or Washington, DC, and London
150K miles
US - Tokyo business class
US - Tokyo first class (seasonal)
US - Caracas first class
120K miles
US - Belgium, France, Germany, Great Britain (Italy/Rome is not included)
10K miles
Upgrade to first class from any coach class ticket not having an advance purchase requirement, not including Hawaii. This for 1 ticket not 2.
Dec 3, 2012, 7:31 am
#291
Join Date: Nov 2012
Programs: AA advantage
Posts: 2
I have over 250,000 old miles and spent 45 minutes on the phone with AA on friday. For September & October 2012 and March, April & May 2013 she could not find ANY dates to use the 120,000 miles--2 biz class to Switzerland or Italy. The best was ONE seat next spring available. Zero, nothing, nada. I was completely flexible on the dates. If I didn't have a gun pointed to my head in the form of the 11/1/2012 pull the plug I could keep trying for next spring & maybe get something. So not only have the ba$tards devalued our miles they have made them impossible to use. It is hard enough anyway to use miles but when you give God knows how many people only a couple months to use their award you make it almost impossible. Had they given us a year's heads up this would have at least been a little more fair. 25% doesn't begin to cover the damages.
Dec 3, 2012, 7:37 am
#292
Join Date: Nov 2012
Programs: AA advantage
Posts: 2
I also had no luck trying to use old miles before the Nov 1 deadline and am quite unhappy with the devaluation of my over 450,000 old miles. I registered with Krislov law firm and saw their July filing. Is there a thread following status of suit or does anyone know if this is going anywhere ?