2012: Why are AA fares so expensive / non-competitive (consolidated)
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2012: Why are AA fares so expensive / non-competitive (consolidated)
In line with past years, we've created a master thread to allow members to discuss/speculate/rant/vent why certain AA routes are so expensive compared to last year or are expensive compared to competitors.
Speculate/rant away folks!
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Speculate/rant away folks!
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Last edited by JY1024; May 1, 2012 at 9:48 am
#2
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Frustrated with AA ticket prices
Traveling dfw-lga/ewr (doesnt matter which one). Week of may 14th. Flexible with dates.
If I book a three night stay the flights are $366. Two nights or less and it's $1066. AA can price flights how they like, but seriously this makes no sense to me.
I searched every day departing Friday the 7th to Wednesday the 12th returning four days after the departure and in each instance plenty of flights at $366rt. Anytime i dropped below three night stay, the fare increased to $1066. So it's not a case that one particular day is nearly sold out.
Expert flyer shows at lest 7 seats for sale (I won't mention seat map) on most every flight on most every day that week.
If I book a three night stay the flights are $366. Two nights or less and it's $1066. AA can price flights how they like, but seriously this makes no sense to me.
I searched every day departing Friday the 7th to Wednesday the 12th returning four days after the departure and in each instance plenty of flights at $366rt. Anytime i dropped below three night stay, the fare increased to $1066. So it's not a case that one particular day is nearly sold out.
Expert flyer shows at lest 7 seats for sale (I won't mention seat map) on most every flight on most every day that week.
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What are the competitors' prices with equivalent service (non-stop, etc.)?
#4
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Well. Last I saw, united was about $766. Spirit airlines was about $408.
Company goes with lowest fare.
I can just imaging what the Flight attendants must do onboard spirit airlines. "We've got spirit yes we do! We'be got spirit how about you!".
Company goes with lowest fare.
I can just imaging what the Flight attendants must do onboard spirit airlines. "We've got spirit yes we do! We'be got spirit how about you!".
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#6
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Science Goy. - I hope I can make that argument successfully. I will try!
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Your company should not find this unusual. For those of us who traveled before 9/11, these types of fare differences were the norm. In fact, unless you were staying over a Saturday night, the fare would be $1000+. In 1998, I flew from CMH-MSP r/t during the week and paid $800 (for a 1.5 hour flight).
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While DFW-LGA has been long discussed given AA's monopoly and you're right, they can charge whatever they think they can get, I have noticed a definite increase in AA's prices.
For the last three years, I've gone NYC-MIA once a month on weekends and could usually get $225ish fares with a little bit of planning. Now, nothing below $275 and more frequently $350-$450. I'm sure a result of reduced capacity and the like, and good for AA if they can keep their planes full at those prices, but certainly a change.
For the last three years, I've gone NYC-MIA once a month on weekends and could usually get $225ish fares with a little bit of planning. Now, nothing below $275 and more frequently $350-$450. I'm sure a result of reduced capacity and the like, and good for AA if they can keep their planes full at those prices, but certainly a change.
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Okay, since you have an expertflyer account you should know to look at the fare rules for valid travel right now to NYC....
The cheapest fare basis code is: SD10EQM1 $310.
The cheapest fare basis code with no minimum stay requirements: KA00ERM5 $918.
MINIMUM STAY
WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS SUN THROUGH WED THEN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
OR - WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS THU THROUGH FRI
THEN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SAT AFTER DEPARTURE FROM
FARE ORIGIN.
OR - WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS SAT THEN TRAVEL
FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
However, if you want my advice I would fly into HPN. As you can fly there for as cheap as $282 roundtrip and could do a 1 day stay if desired.
The cheapest fare basis code is: SD10EQM1 $310.
The cheapest fare basis code with no minimum stay requirements: KA00ERM5 $918.
MINIMUM STAY
WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS SUN THROUGH WED THEN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
OR - WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS THU THROUGH FRI
THEN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SAT AFTER DEPARTURE FROM
FARE ORIGIN.
OR - WHEN DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN IS SAT THEN TRAVEL
FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
However, if you want my advice I would fly into HPN. As you can fly there for as cheap as $282 roundtrip and could do a 1 day stay if desired.
#10
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As mentioned, DFW-LGA is an expensive route, and airfares are going up for domestic econ tickets all over the board so far this year.
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For Spirit, it's impossible for me to know what the total cost will be (who can keep up with their fees?)
The lack of a real value carrier (WN, B6, VX) can obviously be felt.
#12
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Just some options in case you haven't considered them... If your company would force you to fly Spirit, you may be SOL, because $400 is hard to beat, even with luggage fees, etc. But to get under $700 (for the next competitor) is fairly easy:
1. Plenty of MilesSaaver availability for your dates... Buy 20k AA miles for $550 and get a 30% bonus with the current promotion. Or start a new BA account and buy 20k Avios for $575. Would the company reimburse you for either of those?
2. You might consider trying to book hotel + flight package through AAVacations.com. Sometimes they can get lower fare buckets because they are not as strict about advance purchase or minimum stay requirements for a package.
3. One-way trips are $360 if you can handle a stop in ORD. Buy two one-ways.
4. If your dates are so flexible, why not spend an extra night in NYC? Fly out late one evening and depart early on the third day. If the extra hotel night is cheaper than the flights (quite likely, since you can book/priceline/hotwire an airport hotel for one or two of the nights) then your company should be happy with it.
5. I see lots of one-stop US Air flights for around $400 for a 2-night stay. You could get a head start on the merger...
1. Plenty of MilesSaaver availability for your dates... Buy 20k AA miles for $550 and get a 30% bonus with the current promotion. Or start a new BA account and buy 20k Avios for $575. Would the company reimburse you for either of those?
2. You might consider trying to book hotel + flight package through AAVacations.com. Sometimes they can get lower fare buckets because they are not as strict about advance purchase or minimum stay requirements for a package.
3. One-way trips are $360 if you can handle a stop in ORD. Buy two one-ways.
4. If your dates are so flexible, why not spend an extra night in NYC? Fly out late one evening and depart early on the third day. If the extra hotel night is cheaper than the flights (quite likely, since you can book/priceline/hotwire an airport hotel for one or two of the nights) then your company should be happy with it.
5. I see lots of one-stop US Air flights for around $400 for a 2-night stay. You could get a head start on the merger...
#13
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If you really are that flexible with dates, Delta has DFW-LGA at $331 leaving on May 12 and returning on May 14.
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Supply / demand, monopoly -- what else can I say?