Domestic Upgrade with $ [money] Alone
#1
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Domestic Upgrade with $ [money] Alone
I was sitting in my LGA-ORD X seat the other day and the man beside me told me how he got to sit in first. He told me that he doesn't have status, he purchased a cheap (~$200) fare in economy, and then when he went to check in online he was offered the ability to move into first for only $90. Can someone please explain to me how this works? The upgrade list was over 20 people long for this flight. How exactly does AA determine how many of X inventory to sell as upgrades vs. providing for "free" to those with status?
Thanks.
Thanks.
#2
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I was sitting in my LGA-ORD X seat the other day and the man beside me told me how he got to sit in first. He told me that he doesn't have status, he purchased a cheap (~$200) fare in economy, and then when he went to check in online he was offered the ability to move into first for only $90. Can someone please explain to me how this works? The upgrade list was over 20 people long for this flight. How exactly does AA determine how many of X inventory to sell as upgrades vs. providing for "free" to those with status?
Thanks.
Thanks.
#3
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This also replicates a recent experience from DEL-ORD where an EXP whose eVIP had yet to clear but was offered a cash upgrade upon online check-in.
Not cool AA.
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This is a big complaint over at the UA board. The legitimate reason would be if, somehow, the difference between the Y and F fare was only $90, as unlikely as that seems. The illegitimate reason, which is unfortunately all to common at UA, is that the airline is selling these cheap upgrades before offering sticker upgrades to folks who have requested them via stickers (or, in the case of EXPs, for free). Hope the real explanation in this case is that there was a misunderstanding or some glitch.
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Cheers.
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Yup - this appears to be something different. It was a Thursday evening flight - lots of people trying to get upgrades including EXPs (based on the fact that a whole group of people boarded and headed for coach when they announced EXP). I really hope this isn't a sign of changes to the upgrade handling. I'd be interested to hear if there are any other cases of this beyond just my single data point.
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Yup - this appears to be something different. It was a Thursday evening flight - lots of people trying to get upgrades including EXPs (based on the fact that a whole group of people boarded and headed for coach when they announced EXP). I really hope this isn't a sign of changes to the upgrade handling. I'd be interested to hear if there are any other cases of this beyond just my single data point.
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I am a case study of only one passenger, but I was able to upgrade with cash in a situation where as a lowly GOLD, I had no expectation of being about to get an upgrade just for the asking.
However, it was a lot more than $90.
However, it was a lot more than $90.
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Well randomly looking at a ticket for tomorrow from LGA to ORD...
The walk up is $264. The instant upgrade YUP fare is $370. So the difference between coach fare and a first fare on that route can be $106. So, $90 is in the zone, depending on the day.
The walk up is $264. The instant upgrade YUP fare is $370. So the difference between coach fare and a first fare on that route can be $106. So, $90 is in the zone, depending on the day.
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OP said OLCI and $90 -- that equals LFBU. Maybe AA has changed the rules of LFBU recently. Worth watching.
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If we don't get lots of those posts, we will conclude that this is either a one-time snarfle or else the OP got the standby list confused with the upgrade list. Time will tell.
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I don't know for sure - just throwing this out as a possibility:
Could it be that when the OP's seat opponent checked in and purchased the upgrade, there were no more passengers on the upgrade list? Then, subsequent to the LFBU purchase, many more passengers added themselves to the upgrade list?
Might there have been standby passengers who cleared the standby list and then wanted an upgrade? Generally, as we've discussed here before, you have to clear into economy and then your name is added to the upgrade list.
I frequently see Golds and even Platinum members ask the gate agent at the podium to add their names to the upgrade list within 45-60 minutes of departure even though there are already plenty of names on the list.
My point is this: is it possible that all the passengers awaiting sticker upgrades had cleared when the OP's neighbor checked in online? Perhaps not likely since it was a Thursday evening, but possible?
Could it be that when the OP's seat opponent checked in and purchased the upgrade, there were no more passengers on the upgrade list? Then, subsequent to the LFBU purchase, many more passengers added themselves to the upgrade list?
Might there have been standby passengers who cleared the standby list and then wanted an upgrade? Generally, as we've discussed here before, you have to clear into economy and then your name is added to the upgrade list.
I frequently see Golds and even Platinum members ask the gate agent at the podium to add their names to the upgrade list within 45-60 minutes of departure even though there are already plenty of names on the list.
My point is this: is it possible that all the passengers awaiting sticker upgrades had cleared when the OP's neighbor checked in online? Perhaps not likely since it was a Thursday evening, but possible?
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In the case of the OP, the people on the UG list could have only requested their UGs when they checked-in and asked to be added to the UG list.