Flight attendant causes disturbance and is removed aboard AA 2332 9 Mar 2012
Mar 13, 2012, 12:00 pm
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I suspect it's because the rules for BA are determined by the CAA not the FAA, and probably other jurisdictions haven't different rules again. Who is to say the US rules are correct? Or even that they don't take unnecessary risks?
Mar 13, 2012, 12:14 pm
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This whole situation is so sad - am just hoping something positive can come out of it.
Mar 13, 2012, 4:10 pm
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Mar 13, 2012, 5:06 pm
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Paid for by AA? I'm guessing that could run into the tens of millions of dollars a year. Without an FAA mandate I can't see AA, or any other airline for that matter, taking the lead here and sending employees off for yearly psychological evaluations. A secondary issue would be whether the unions would need to sign off on it.
Mar 13, 2012, 5:11 pm
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Paid for by AA? I'm guessing that could run into the tens of millions of dollars a year. Without an FAA mandate I can't see AA, or any other airline for that matter, taking the lead here and sending employees off for yearly psychological evaluations. A secondary issue would be whether the unions would need to sign off on it.
I don't know what the answer is - but I am quite concerned about the whole thing.
Mar 13, 2012, 5:36 pm
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Paid for by AA? I'm guessing that could run into the tens of millions of dollars a year. Without an FAA mandate I can't see AA, or any other airline for that matter, taking the lead here and sending employees off for yearly psychological evaluations. A secondary issue would be whether the unions would need to sign off on it.
Mar 13, 2012, 8:20 pm
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Drug tests are mandated in the USA, UK and other places. In the USA, Executive Order 12564 - Drug-Free Federal Workplace, 1986, the Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs (Section 503 of Public Law 100-71) and the Omnibus Transportation Employee Testing Act of 1991, as encompassed in 49 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 40, requires drug testing safety-sensitive transportation employees in aviation, trucking, railroads, mass transit, pipelines, and other transportation industries.
Blanket, pre-employment, periodic, reasonable suspicion-based and random psychiatric testing for many transportation personnel, including FAs, is not AFAIK required and could well be found to contravene the Fourth or Fifth (and as made applicable to the States by the Fourteenth) Amendments of the U S Constitution. These would also likely be a negotiable point in a union contract.
Blanket, pre-employment, periodic, reasonable suspicion-based and random psychiatric testing for many transportation personnel, including FAs, is not AFAIK required and could well be found to contravene the Fourth or Fifth (and as made applicable to the States by the Fourteenth) Amendments of the U S Constitution. These would also likely be a negotiable point in a union contract.
Mar 13, 2012, 8:32 pm
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the cost of bad publicity
Paid for by AA? I'm guessing that could run into the tens of millions of dollars a year. Without an FAA mandate I can't see AA, or any other airline for that matter, taking the lead here and sending employees off for yearly psychological evaluations. A secondary issue would be whether the unions would need to sign off on it.
http://www.ereleases.com/prfuel/true...bad-publicity/
Mar 13, 2012, 9:30 pm
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If it were something to be concerned about, this incident wouldn't have made the news. The only reason it did is because it's something that occurs literally once in a million (or millions of) flights.
Mar 13, 2012, 10:47 pm
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I am not sure if this is still the case but a few years ago I was on a British Airways flight coming back from London and as usual, I did the same thing as soon as the plane landed at LAX. I even called my wife to tell her that she just touched down (so that she could leave the house to come pick me up).
I was severely reprimanded by the flight attendant for turning on my phone. She told he pilot and he got really pissy and even made an announcement over the PA system along the lines of "I've been notified that a passenger has turned on his cell phone. I would like to remind all passengers that cell phone use is prohibited until we reach the gate..."
I was sitting upstairs in business class.
Anyway, seems like the rules regarding cell phone use should be a little more consistent.
I don't know if things have changed because since then I have always flown American and haven't had any other major issues.
I was severely reprimanded by the flight attendant for turning on my phone. She told he pilot and he got really pissy and even made an announcement over the PA system along the lines of "I've been notified that a passenger has turned on his cell phone. I would like to remind all passengers that cell phone use is prohibited until we reach the gate..."
I was sitting upstairs in business class.
Anyway, seems like the rules regarding cell phone use should be a little more consistent.
I don't know if things have changed because since then I have always flown American and haven't had any other major issues.
Mar 14, 2012, 4:28 am
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I see some of the DFW-area media outlets have mentioned the F/A's name, age, and/or city of residence, all apparently non-redacted in the DFW police report just released. Exactly why someone felt this info fell into "the public's need to know" category is beyond me, and it is only likely to be less than "helpful" with respect to the recovery of the F/A involved.
When others go off the deep end and do something that gets them busted, their names are in the paper, this lady should be no different
Mar 14, 2012, 10:11 am
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Quite true, but....
In 2000, the EEOC sued American Airlines saying questioning by the airline's medical department during an employee drug test revealed that the applicant was being treated for a mental disability. Such questioning is improper, the EEOC said. The suit sought back wages and damages for the applicant, as well as others who may allege that they suffered similar bias.
EEOC Sues American Airlines for Job Bias
In 2000, the EEOC sued American Airlines saying questioning by the airline's medical department during an employee drug test revealed that the applicant was being treated for a mental disability. Such questioning is improper, the EEOC said. The suit sought back wages and damages for the applicant, as well as others who may allege that they suffered similar bias.
EEOC Sues American Airlines for Job Bias
Dec 23, 2012, 8:42 pm
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Dec 25, 2012, 2:08 pm
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Quite true, but....
In 2000, the EEOC sued American Airlines saying questioning by the airline's medical department during an employee drug test revealed that the applicant was being treated for a mental disability. Such questioning is improper, the EEOC said. The suit sought back wages and damages for the applicant, as well as others who may allege that they suffered similar bias.
EEOC Sues American Airlines for Job Bias
In 2000, the EEOC sued American Airlines saying questioning by the airline's medical department during an employee drug test revealed that the applicant was being treated for a mental disability. Such questioning is improper, the EEOC said. The suit sought back wages and damages for the applicant, as well as others who may allege that they suffered similar bias.
EEOC Sues American Airlines for Job Bias
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